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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
That it is!!
They used to have lots fo LCBO's and Beer Stores open until 10 or 11 but thanks to all the pressure from MADD, our favourite interest group, theyve been changing all of them to 9 |
yes, because closing at 9 really prevents drinking and driving :rolleyes: hell! how about we just stop selling alcohol, period?? |
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| mikester69 |
They thing that itll help stop people from drinking and driving at night, when most of the accidents happen
Theyre also responsible for our 2 AM last call, i think to a greater extent than the gov itself |
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| infinity HiGH |
| Well at least they're living up to their namesake; restricting life just like most mothers would |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Artificially created that way. If the government wanted to be the sole provider of automobiles then that could also be the biggest retailer in the world.
Time to allow choice in the marketplace. |
Well ok lets see what the pros and cons of privitizing LCBO could be
Pros
-a very nice chunk of change from selling LCBO
-lower prices from competition
-alcohol available in more locations
Cons
-a steady source of gov income removed
-less selection, especially in thinly populated areas
-way smaller trade leverage on Ontario alcohol imports/exports
-higher prices due to :rolleyes:
-less staff around who are knowledgeable about alcohol
-potential safety of product issues
Don't know about you, but it looks to me we have more to lose by privitizing.
And for sure about the last call post, the LCBO is also a regulatory/liscencing agency besides being a retailer. |
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| jdjd |
LCBO closes early => buy early
Last call => sneak in a mickey
Problem solved. :D |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
Well ok lets see what the pros and cons of privitizing LCBO could be
Pros
-a very nice chunk of change from selling LCBO
-lower prices from competition
-alcohol available in more locations
Cons
-a steady source of gov income removed
-less selection, especially in thinly populated areas
-way smaller trade leverage on Ontario alcohol imports/exports
-higher prices due to :rolleyes:
-less staff around who are knowledgeable about alcohol
-potential safety of product issues
Don't know about you, but it looks to me we have more to lose by privitizing.
And for sure about the last call post, the LCBO is also a regulatory/liscencing agency besides being a retailer. |
you just contridicted yourself
-a steady source of gov income removed (an artificial source that shouldnt exist in the first place. Dont forget that the government will still collect excessive amounts of tax on booze. When they give you numbers from the LCBO about profits they usually forget to mention that most of it is tax)
-less selection, especially in thinly populated areas (this already happens. Ever been to a small town LCBO? They dont even have 1/3 of what an LCBO has in the city.)
-way smaller trade leverage on Ontario alcohol imports/exports (i dont buy this. Why is booze consistantly higher in ontario than the rest of north america? Its due to taxes and monopolies. Lets take at least one of those factors out of the equation)
-higher prices due to :rolleyes: (lower prices due to competition. You dont think groceries stores like oshawa group and walmart have strong buying power?)
-less staff around who are knowledgeable about alcohol (so what? and they will get paid far less to meaning costs are lower. If you really need someone knowledgable about wine and fine spirits, im sure those specialty stores will exist if the demand is there. 95% of people who get booze dont care about which wine goes with which cut of beef)
-potential safety of product issues (how so? Federal standards are applied to private consumption every day and we dont seem to have a problem with that do we?) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdjd
LCBO closes early => buy early
Last call => sneak in a mickey
Problem solved. :D |
better yet = let adults have a choice because they are adults instead of making them criminals for doing so...
problem solved :D |
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| Cal |
Dude I'm telling you, my York class just covered this, and you are wrong.
Privitizing would only hurt Ontario. The trade leverage alone is reason enough to keep it the way it is now. When a foreign country wants to be in business with Ontario on the alcohol scene, it's gotta go through a corporation which is the size of LCBO, and it has better cut a sweet deal for Ontario or no deal will be made.
Wanna import something? Ok sure, but what are you going to do for us? How about we give you some of our ice wine on these terms?
It's the same way with companies dealing with Walmart. Walmart is so huge the suppliers have no choice but to make concessions, because Walmart is such a lucrative market.
And then when you start thinking of the multiplier effect favourable trade brings - it's all good baby! |
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| magikb |
| Time for me to migrate overseas :D |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
They thing that itll help stop people from drinking and driving at night, when most of the accidents happen |
LOL, because everybody who drinks at night also buys their alcohol late at night :stongue: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
Dude I'm telling you, my York class just covered this, and you are wrong.
Privitizing would only hurt Ontario. The trade leverage alone is reason enough to keep it the way it is now. When a foreign country wants to be in business with Ontario on the alcohol scene, it's gotta go through a corporation which is the size of LCBO, and it has better cut a sweet deal for Ontario or no deal will be made.
Wanna import something? Ok sure, but what are you going to do for us? How about we give you some of our ice wine on these terms?
It's the same way with companies dealing with Walmart. Walmart is so huge the suppliers have no choice but to make concessions, because Walmart is such a lucrative market.
And then when you start thinking of the multiplier effect favourable trade brings - it's all good baby! |
one big difference between walmart and the LCBO. Walmart has competitors. Whatever savings are seen by the LCBO surely get washed away by the fact that there is nobody to compete with them. This is why at our duty free stores with taxes removed, prices are STILL higher than other countries for the same products produced in the same factories. Its because we do not have competition here. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
Dude I'm telling you, my York class just covered this, and you are wrong.
Privitizing would only hurt Ontario. The trade leverage alone is reason enough to keep it the way it is now. When a foreign country wants to be in business with Ontario on the alcohol scene, it's gotta go through a corporation which is the size of LCBO, and it has better cut a sweet deal for Ontario or no deal will be made.
Wanna import something? Ok sure, but what are you going to do for us? How about we give you some of our ice wine on these terms?
It's the same way with companies dealing with Walmart. Walmart is so huge the suppliers have no choice but to make concessions, because Walmart is such a lucrative market.
And then when you start thinking of the multiplier effect favourable trade brings - it's all good baby! |
You dont see two huge problems with that though?
First of all, alcohol is NOT cheaper in Ontario than anywhere else, if they really get that good deals, it is clearly not going to the benefits of the consumers! So then there is really no point with it anyway...
Also, if they only take in the stuff they get good deals on, it means you miss out on A LOT. LCBO's selection is really quite crappy if you have been anywhere outside Ontario. Sure small town's would get crappier selection than bigger towns, but they do so today too. So I would say privatizing would only make your selection of alcohol bigger.
The only real argument you could possibly have to keep the LCBO is that it would somewhat keep consumption down. It's a bull argument though, cause 1. It really doesn't affet consumption that much, 2. People should be treated as people not dumbasses.
Another argument would be that LCBO is better to check age limits, however I'm 19 and it happend several times they didn't check my ID, so guess that isnt a good argument either.
No other argument against it holds any water at all, and there are so many for it. So conclusion is that your class at york sucked ;) |
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