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DJing live with Traktor (pg. 2)
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| Choobak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Yes the established DJs with the connections will go out of their way to blackball someone who doesn't mix traditionally. I've seen a few people say they were switching over to Ableton switch back very quickly after the pressure gets put on them. |
Well, I bet if the dj's that switched over to ableton actually did something creative with it, people wouldn't be so quick to judge them. If they're just using it to make beatmatching and cueing easier, they deserve to be blackballed. |
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| Rockabye |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
I don't understand why so many people on this site are against new dj technology. Anything that allows people to be more creative shoud be embraced... |
Mostly people who mix with vinyl bash people who mix with software.
They see how much better the transitions of software users are that they begin to cry and say only vinyl or cd mixing is the real thing :haha: |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
Well, I bet if the dj's that switched over to ableton actually did something creative with it, people wouldn't be so quick to judge them. If they're just using it to make beatmatching and cueing easier, they deserve to be blackballed. |
Who knows? They were never given the chance. I've seen people use Ableton and rock out, but they all had Ableton as a small part of their setup. Not as the main part. Or they were big producers playing their own stuff and you know everyone wants to hear those unreleased tracks, so that is a different story.
I don't see Ableton really as DJ software. I see it more as a Live PA, and I've always thought live PA acts were full of . We know you produced that track, so why don't you just press play because we don't need to see you turning knobs on a midi controller like a fool, or pressing the sample pad on your MPC to trigger the kick drum. To each their own though.
You're guys are damn right though about being miffed at Ableton. I am I'm not trying to say I'm not. Most people can't mix 20+ tracks in an hour and keep everything tight and smooth, and for those of us that can it took a lot of hard work to get there. Now you're saying anyone with a bootleg copy of Ableton can mix better than I can, so of course traditional DJs aren't going to like that. Of course we're going to do everything we can to keep Ableton out of our venues. It's human nature. |
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| amdmaxx |
Agreed. I am there to listen to music, not see Dj beat matching vinyls all day..
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
Boring to whom? The dj? No. The crowd? No. The 5% of people in the club who obsess over how the music is played and get angry when they don't see a dj rocking vinyl back and forth? Maybe - but then again these people need to reevaluate why they even bother to go out in the first place...
I don't understand why so many people on this site are against new dj technology. Anything that allows people to be more creative shoud be embraced... |
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| djkoolaide |
| quote: | Originally posted by SpecRadio
And you have to have every single part of the song in a seprate file on each channel to actually do anything like sasha :wtf:
Mixing in albeton = boring. |
+1. It's a very boring and time-consuming task to make anything sound good. I'm actually in the process of doing a hip-hop yearmix in Ableton right now and it's extremely frustrating. :whip: |
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| Aquarian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
maybe 5% of the people in a club care about the way you play the music.
they just wanna have a good time and dance to good music and don't mind if you are behind decks, cd players or a laptop. |
Indeed. But I felt like my way of life was being insulted when I met this "DJ" who was actually working a stable job using one CD player and a desktop computer with Atomix Virtual DJ on it, mixing exclusively poppy bennassi remixes and such.
I'm usually the first one to defend technology - but you have to use it creatively. Doesn't matter to me if the DJ's using a laptop, CDJs or techs, but if he's using software to free his hands, he should be doing something creative. Otherwise why not just get rid of the DJ and put on a CD with mp3 sets on it. |
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| superglo |
the only reason i use traktor so much is because
1 - i dont have decks.
2 - i dont own any vinyl.
3 - i'm too damn broke to buy vinyl. |
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| Talent Scout |
| I'm not even going to read all the posts, all I now is people who actually think you are not a dj using software like Traktor or Ableton are just talking out of there ass and know nothing of the programs!!! I mix with both and can tell you, that software lets you be much more creative!!! |
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| dinoXpress |
| quote: | Originally posted by Talent Scout
I'm not even going to read all the posts, all I now is people who actually think you are not a dj using software like Traktor or Ableton are just talking out of there ass and know nothing of the programs!!! I mix with both and can tell you, that software lets you be much more creative!!! |
WHy dont u read all the posts next time.
Or just don't post. |
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| MERiDiAN5i2 |
a talented DJ that can lay down a flawless set on nothing but two turntables and a simple mixer is in a class of his own. that's the real deal, the best show and the maximum amount of respect deserved.
and thats how it all started. |
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| InGen |
It doesn't matter whether it is a vinyl, cd, or software, as long as you get the people moving. I started using CD-players 5 years ago, then I started practising on vinyls, I bought some, but I never come to buy turntables. I noticed that Traktor thing, started using it...Those vinyls and CD's I bought, I use them as a backup if anything goes wrong, since I don't need software to beatmatch...I learned all this stuff from practising over and over again on every kind of equipment...
What I wanted to say...people go to parties (or used to go) to dance to that music, to meet new people, to have a good time there(that's the reason why I go to a party, definitely not to see if dj uses Ableton, SSL, or maybe Omnitronic CDP-450, whatever)
Nothing touches you more as a dj to see someone with tears in his eyes, becouse he loved the music and when people shake your hands saying: "Unforgetable..." Then you know, that you did your job to make people happy.
And yes, at the party that happened, I was using my laptop and Traktor software. |
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| alligator |
| quote: | Originally posted by superglo
the only reason i use traktor so much is because
1 - i dont have decks.
2 - i dont own any vinyl.
3 - i'm too damn broke to buy vinyl. |
first off people should stop hating and start thinking why would someone use other means of equipment to entertain the masses.
i for example do not have the ability to get the equipment i would want (ssl and 2 cdj), but i'll live. in the mean time i can't refuse my friends who want me to play at their houses for whatever bashes they're throwing. i can't really charge them for rental equipment, so i must use a laptop sometimes when cd player are not available. if all you want to bash me or anyone else that does this go ahead, but in the end are you upset at the technology i'm using or at yourself for not evolving with time.
most dj do have reasons to disprove of the new upcoming computer whizes that use technology to their own advantage. software is cheaper (if not free), it doesn't take long to master and if done properly one cannot tell the difference (unless he sees the dj working). therefore a dj that started with his vinyl, long hours of practice, money spent on equipment (and let's face it it's an expensive hobby/career) and songs. so why won't he/she be upset with the new kids on the block who simply use software and get ahead of the game.
but in the end a dj is not one who uses a tt to play a song, nor one who switches the faded from one source to another. people come to parties to be told and shown how to party, dance and have a good time. they pay to enter these events in order to let the one controling the music entertain them. therefore a person who can pick the right song and get a party moving can call himself a dj. if he choses to use vinyl, cds or software so be it.
regaderless of his medium of choice it's up to the bar owner/manager to chose the type of dj that is allowed to play at the location. then it's up to the crowd to respond. a dj won't keep his job just because of his tt's if the crowd simply does not respond to his track selection.
cheers, |
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