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wtf is going on in sydney (pg. 7)
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| Light The Fuse |
its funny u know - a few years ago it was asian gangs...but now since we went to war in the middle east - it seems to be middle eastern gangs....go figure.
never been to cronulla - dont think ill ever go. yeah there might be a few probbos with the lebos - geez i went to coburg high.
but fark i saw a guy on the news with a shirt that said "Mohahmmed was a camel humping ******" - sorry thats just cacked.
id once again like to re-iterate that these lifesavers werent working - but the whole lifesaver thing has been pushed so hard by the media - the symbolism of the herioc bronzed ozzie lifeguard getting king hit by dirty arabs is riduclously ....ridiculous. |
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| Dr_Octopussy |
| Getting pissed and going on a rally , only one thing happens then. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
thought this was worth posting in here. renegade on the money once again.
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Wow, another large-scale race-riot in Sydney? And you guys had gone all of what - 8 days since the last one? :p
Seriously though, this is pretty damn pathetic. Some people will try to tell you that what happened yesterday isn't representative of the wider Australian ethos and that Australia is not inherently racist, but after ten years of conservative government, I'm not so sure anymore. The political reaction has been fairly predictable: condemnation of the riots, with the disclaimer that the events of yesterday were committed only by a small, non-representative segment of the community and that such sentiments are not refeclted in the views of \"ordinary Australians\". What we saw yesterday, however, was merely the physical manifestation of a sentiment that's been widely propogated by members of the media, the government and the public for months now. This was not in isolated incident, just the culmination of a series of smaller, less conspicuous incidents.
It all began after the London bombings, when John Howard came out and demanded that Muslim leaders unequivocally and very publicly comdemn them, under the threat of deportation (which is strange, because I don't ever remember him making similar demands of the priesthood in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks committed during his term by Catholics in Colombia, Spain and Britian). From here, the paranoia very quickly snowballed into the indiscriminate targetting of everything Islamic: from the banning of Islamic literature in bookshops, to discussions about banning hijabs in schools, to Liberal MPs mooting the irredeemable failure of multiculturalism in Australia in op-eds around the country, to a certain Liberal MP suggesting that we return to a policy of vetting potential immigrants on the basis of nationality and religion, to baseless hyperbole about the \"clash of civilisations\" in this country, to suggestions that \"these people\" should be forced to integrate with Australian norms and customs (whatever they might be), to widespread (yet completely misinformed) criticism of Islamic theology and practices on talkback radio everywhere.
The government's solution to ease this simmering tension was to introduce a series of laws - not so implicitly targetting Muslims - that would allow them to deport anyone, even Australian citizens, who offered vocal support for the \"enemies\" of this nation (i.e. \"Osama bin Laden is a good man\" or \"the Iraqi insurgency has a legitimate gripe against Australian soldiers in that nation\"), to deport or imprison anyone suspected of \"sedition\" (i.e. strongly speaking out against the activities and values of the government - I guess I'm ed then!), to imprison - without having to lay a specific charge - anyone who may have \"associated\" with a \"terrorist group\" (the definition of \"terrorist group\" includes many Muslim charities and virtually any Wahibist / fundamentalist Islamic organisation) and to grant police greater \"stop, search and seizure\" powers (wonder which religious group is going to bear the brunt of that?). Most Muslim groups expressed concerns about Muslims being targetted specifically by these laws (which is, of course, true) but still, understandably, assented to them (could you imagine the backlash if they had refused to endorse \"anti-terror\" laws in the current environment?). The laws were also passed with the consent of the ALP, the opposition party, who really haven't offered much genuine opposition to the government's trampling of civil liberties and democratic freedoms under their past two leaders over the past few years.
In short, we have had our politicians (on both sides of the political divide) standing up in front of the Australian flag for months now, unfairly demonising Muslims and Islamic culture, passing Islamophobic laws under the pretence of \"protecting our culture\". These same politicians then express abject suprise when shirtless, drunken bogans drape themselves in the Australian flag and go trawling along local beaches for Muslim people to kick the ever-loving out of? My political friends, you may not have been quite so literal in your own actions, but you've still been doing exactly the same thing for months now. When you set the example of trampling all over an entire ethnic group under the pretense of nationalism, do not act so suprised when your supporters take it to the next, explicitly manifest level. When you create divisions in the community and persecute members of a religion who have done nothing wrong, then you have no right to take the moral highground and condemn what happened yesterday. Like tathi said, Mr Howard: welcome to your Australia. |
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| muli |
for s sake this is just bull, hate this kind of stuff going on.
I blame the ing parents, they should've got some control on their kids years ago and stopped all these bull gangs letting lose.
If the parents instilled some ing simple values into their children then make there would be some ing respect out there.
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| 00soups00 |
im not 100% convinced that the government targetted muslim groups etc who were innocent.
its a tough gig.. i mean on one hand they had to be seen to be doing enough, however couldnt do too much for risk of the group feeling as though they are being victimised and alienated.
there is really no easy choice for a government to handle these sort of situations.
Renegade, or anyone else for that matter, i'd like to get suggestions as to how you think the Government should have handled the whole situation from the time period around or just after the London bombing...
in truth, us Melbournians cannot really comment on the situation, because we havent been members of that community, we havent put up with any abuse or taunts from either side of the fence. All i know is that there is no justification for that kind of behaviour.. it makes us just as bad as the people we're trying to show strength against.. its all barbaric.. however, if i lived in Cronulla and had put up with whatever had been going on, i might think differently... |
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| Light The Fuse |
if renegade was pm im guessing we wouldnt have even goten involved in any religious oil wars for the sake of make georg dubya happy and thus 90% of the racial tension wouldnt be there in the first place.
(or maybe that was me lol) |
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| batemanscott |
| quote: | Originally posted by 00soups00
in truth, us Melbournians cannot really comment on the situation, because we havent been members of that community, we havent put up with any abuse or taunts from either side of the fence. All i know is that there is no justification for that kind of behaviour.. it makes us just as bad as the people we're trying to show strength against.. its all barbaric.. however, if i lived in Cronulla and had put up with whatever had been going on, i might think differently... |
I did live in Cronulla for a couple of years and i can tell you that whilst i dont support or condone what is going on, it has been a loooong time in the making.
I used to watch my staff come into work looking like they have been in a war because a group of lebs decided it would be funny to see what happens when 8 guys kick the living out of one because he was walking home alone ( and yes, it was ALWAYS lebs).
I appreciate it's only a small minority and not representative of all and there is bad in every social demographic but this has been ALOT of bad from one group in particular in that area for a long time.
We are to scared socially to say that we have a problem with a large group of young lebonese men in that area so we pretend it doesnt happen, then this is the result.
As i said i am sickened by what has happened and dont hold anything against the greater lebonese community but for to long these wits have got away with everything because of their numbers on the streets and the police are not allowed to be seen to be "racist" by arresting so many and not other races.
They basically have to rape or kill somebody before the cops will do anything.
The whole thing is a joke, but its our fear of being "racist" not our racism that has allowed it to get to this point.
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btw, anyone saying this has anything to do with 9/11, war on terror, war on iraq, london bombing is completely full of .
This was a major ing problem way before we had any of those things! |
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| Xavier |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
I did live in Cronulla for a couple of years and i can tell you that whilst i dont support or condone what is going on, it has been a loooong time in the making.
I used to watch my staff come into work looking like they have been in a war because a group of lebs decided it would be funny to see what happens when 8 guys kick the living out of one because he was walking home alone ( and yes, it was ALWAYS lebs).
I appreciate it's only a small minority and not representative of all and there is bad in every social demographic but this has been ALOT of bad from one group in particular in that area for a long time.
We are to scared socially to say that we have a problem with a large group of young lebonese men in that area so we pretend it doesnt happen, then this is the result.
As i said i am sickened by what has happened and dont hold anything against the greater lebonese community but for to long these wits have got away with everything because of their numbers on the streets and the police are not allowed to be seen to be "racist" by arresting so many and not other races.
They basically have to rape or kill somebody before the cops will do anything.
The whole thing is a joke, but its our fear of being "racist" not our racism that has allowed it to get to this point.
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btw, anyone saying this has anything to do with 9/11, war on terror, war on iraq, london bombing is completely full of .
This was a major ing problem way before we had any of those things! |
in werd! ;) |
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| **Xenon** |
| Agree mainly with Bateman here that it's a bit of a longbow connecting the Government to this. This is a simple problem when you look at it, it's not the complex battle with no solutions as has been portrayed in the media. |
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| eRRaTiK |
so this isn't related to capital punishment laws in asia and roswell?
wtf. |
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| Epicurus |
| I think it's great that the Lebs are getting their asses kicked. Finally!!! |
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| **Xenon** |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
I think it's great that the Lebs are getting their asses kicked. Finally!!! |
No they aren't. Apart from the few on the weekend who were just random people of Middle Eastern appearance I haven't heard of any Lebanese gang members being assaulted at all. That's the truth of it...
The Lebanese gang members (and others) have just gone at night time doing covert ops to smash in all the cars/property/people without getting caught. It couldn't be better days for them, they've got a licence to cause as much havoc under the banner of retaliation now... |
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