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We're 1000 days into the War in Iraq ... Here Are the Hard Statistics (pg. 4)
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I know, that's why I only said it was a matter of time till it happend in the US. Also, many of the attacks outside of the US have been attacks on US interests or US citizens in other countries.
You said that "Al-Quida cells have been broken", which is clearly not true since they have performed more terrorist attacks in the last 4 years, than they have done ever before. |
Well, I also said they arent destroyed, but at the same time they arent that strong. These attacks on Middle East, in Iraq or Afghanistan, well of course there are going to be attacks, its a war, there is an enemy. Since, we are fighting this war there, rather then in our homeland, why havent they attacked us again. If they were that strong and powerfull, and wanted to show us that we are still here and running, why havent they attacked us in our homeland? Why is it with everyone wanting these people to attack us..oh yeah watch and see there will be an attack. I dont know about you my friend, but I dont want to see 3000 of my people dead in our homeland again. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
Well, I also said they arent destroyed, but at the same time they arent that strong. These attacks on Middle East, in Iraq or Afghanistan, well of course there are going to be attacks, its a war, there is an enemy. |
London and Madrid is middle east, no?
| quote: | | Since, we are fighting this war there, rather then in our homeland, why havent they attacked us again. If they were that strong and powerfull, and wanted to show us that we are still here and running, why havent they attacked us in our homeland? |
Probably because it's a hell of a lot easier to attack US interests outside of the US. It has everything to do with tigheter security in the US and nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
This doesn't mean you won't have another attack in the US though, it means it is harder to make one, but with your current agressive middle eastern policies, there is no way you wont have another major terror attack, it just takes more time and effort to plan it.
| quote: | | Why is it with everyone wanting these people to attack us..oh yeah watch and see there will be an attack. I dont know about you my friend, but I dont want to see 3000 of my people dead in our homeland again. |
I don't think anyone in their right mind wants another terror attack in America, however to be realistic there will be more. Also, what about 30 000 dead Iraqis? You think American lives are more worth than those? |
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| Rockabye |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Also, what about 30 000 dead Iraqis? You think American lives are more worth than those? |
There are a lot of americans who have this meaning. They don't care what happens outside of their country. How many people in Texas and the other bible states who voted for Bush are able to find Europe or the Middle East on a map?
If the american troopes destroy other countries and kill thousands of people they can say "oh, that's war, there will always be some dead people".
But if some americans die because of terrorists acts than it's "oh my god, they killed american people, now it's payback time!".
I don't say that terrorist atacks against the USA can be justified in any way but are you really thinking: 3000 american lives are more worth than those thousends of civilian lives the USA killed in the Iraq? |
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
There are a lot of americans who have this meaning. They don't care what happens outside of their country. How many people in Texas and the other bible states who voted for Bush are able to find Europe or the Middle East on a map? |
What you just stated is not true at all. We do care what happends around the world. You want to talk history now? Who saved Europes ass from one of your past leaders, Hitler? It wasnt anybody but the Americans. You completely have a wrong conceptions of Americans, but that is with most of Europe, yet Europeans love the American culture, and everything about America. I have nothing againts Europe, but I have a problem with people like you that are so close minded and only take in consideration a very few percentage of Americans. Lets not also forget that America and Europe are two total different cultures, many different in many ways, like political views for example, and that is where you see a big difference. I love Europe, its history, its culture, do I like thier political policies and views? No, but that does not mean I dont care about them. So do not say that a lot of Americans think that way. And im sure alot of Americans would find Europe or the Middle East on the map.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
If the american troopes destroy other countries and kill thousands of people they can say "oh, that's war, there will always be some dead people". |
Do we destroy these countries in purpose, you think we go there and purposely say, oh lets this country up because we are Americans. Is that what you think? So you telling me that if someone was to attack Germany, you wouldn’t do anything about it. Also, well isn’t this a war? I mean there are people fighting from both sides, what difference it makes who’s dead, sucks for the Iraqi terrorists that they don’t have all the high tech and such, they suffer more loses, but another thing is that most of these innocent Iraqis, weren’t killed purposely by the Americans, and not to mention that a lot of them were killed by their own men.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
But if some americans die because of terrorists acts than it's "oh my god, they killed american people, now it's payback time!". |
Wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t you fight if your people were dead? Your sounding like a fuc*ing liberal who wants world peace, you cant have piece with another man holding a gun and taking buildings down my friend.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
I don't say that terrorist attacks against the USA can be justified in any way but are you really thinking: 3000 american lives are more worth than those thousands of civilian lives the USA killed in the Iraq? |
Well, your saying that Americans have killed these troops on purpose, and that these terrorist killing us weren’t on purpose at all, which is a complete bogus statement.
You need to learn more about Americans my friend. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
What you just stated is not true at all. We do care what happends around the world. You want to talk history now? Who saved Europes ass from one of your past leaders, Hitler? It wasnt anybody but the Americans. You completely have a wrong conceptions of Americans, but that is with most of Europe, yet Europeans love the American culture, and everything about America. I have nothing againts Europe, but I have a problem with people like you that are so close minded and only take in consideration a very few percentage of Americans. Lets not also forget that America and Europe are two total different cultures, many different in many ways, like political views for example, and that is where you see a big difference. I love Europe, its history, its culture, do I like thier political policies and views? No, but that does not mean I dont care about them. So do not say that a lot of Americans think that way. And im sure alot of Americans would find Europe or the Middle East on the map.
Do we destroy these countries in purpose, you think we go there and purposely say, oh lets this country up because we are Americans. Is that what you think? So you telling me that if someone was to attack Germany, you wouldn’t do anything about it. Also, well isn’t this a war? I mean there are people fighting from both sides, what difference it makes who’s dead, sucks for the Iraqi terrorists that they don’t have all the high tech and such, they suffer more loses, but another thing is that most of these innocent Iraqis, weren’t killed purposely by the Americans, and not to mention that a lot of them were killed by their own men. |
I'm actually agreeing with you mostly here.
| quote: | | Wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t you fight if your people were dead? Your sounding like a fuc*ing liberal who wants world peace, you cant have piece with another man holding a gun and taking buildings down my friend. |
Well I'm a ing liberal who wants world peace and ALSO wants our country to fight and hunt down the mother****** who attacked us.
So why are we in Iraq again?
| quote: | Well, your saying that Americans have killed these troops on purpose, and that these terrorist killing us weren’t on purpose at all, which is a complete bogus statement.
You need to learn more about Americans my friend. |
I'm just curious - you do know Saddam didn't attack us on 9/11, right? Because either you, Rockabye, or both are seemingly mixing up the two events, which are not related in any manner. I do hope you know this. |
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| Rockabye |
I travelled several times to the USA and have friends over there. In most aspects I like your country and the people there.
But I travelled to cities like LA or New York which are much more liberal than this bible belt of George Bush-Fans that fear the mighty god and defend their familie with a gun in their hands :nervous:
And I know that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 nor was Iraq a threat to the USA or any other country lately. But George invented some reasons to make the world believe (well, my country actually never believed it) a war against Iraq is necessary. Almost 3 years later the world knows that George, Dick and Donald are big liars. Even Collin Powell recognized it and didn't go with them for 4 more years.
In some aspects the USA are a strange country. You still have death penalty and allow all your people to carry guns to defend themselves. These are things that most europeans and your neighbours from Canada don't understand and think these are wrong ideas.
Or just look at these guys that wanna put the god story into your schools besides the darwin evolution theory. This is something even in strong catholic countries like Italy or Spain never would happen over here :haha:
Come on...outside of the areas on the coasts you are a little behind the rest of the world, that's a fact ;) |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Rockabye Come on...outside of the areas on the coasts you are a little behind the rest of the world, that's a fact ;) |
I agree with most of what you said, but your gonna get a flame war on that one. :p |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
What you just stated is not true at all. We do care what happends around the world. You want to talk history now? Who saved Europes ass from one of your past leaders, Hitler? It wasnt anybody but the Americans. You completely have a wrong conceptions of Americans, but that is with most of Europe, yet Europeans love the American culture, and everything about America. I have nothing againts Europe, but I have a problem with people like you that are so close minded and only take in consideration a very few percentage of Americans. Lets not also forget that America and Europe are two total different cultures, many different in many ways, like political views for example, and that is where you see a big difference. I love Europe, its history, its culture, do I like thier political policies and views? No, but that does not mean I dont care about them. So do not say that a lot of Americans think that way. And im sure alot of Americans would find Europe or the Middle East on the map. |
While I partly agree and that I personally have nothing against Americans, a lot of what you are saying is kind of biased. First of all, you might have saved much of Europe from communism, but to be truly honest it was Russia and not America that crushed Hitler. When it comes to careing about the outside world, you really have no clue what you are talking about. Some in America do care, but if you compare Europe with North America (I have lived in both continents) I can tell you there is a ing huge difference. In Europe you could for example discuss world politics with most ppl, in N. America you can only do that with a few (How many in America even knows what Darfur is?!?). In America every discussion is from an American point of view, and extreamly few times do you ever try to understand another point of view. While this is true for many Europeans as well, it is not nearly as widespread as in America. Really, just watch the ing massive support you had for the Iraqwar before it started, in all European countries you had massive protests instead, something that might show of a different mentality and respect for other countries.
I'm not saying America is really bad, and I agree that many Europeans have a way too stereotyped picture of you, BUT it is to a certain extent very true.
| quote: | | Do we destroy these countries in purpose, you think we go there and purposely say, oh lets this country up because we are Americans. Is that what you think? So you telling me that if someone was to attack Germany, you wouldn’t do anything about it. Also, well isn’t this a war? I mean there are people fighting from both sides, what difference it makes who’s dead, sucks for the Iraqi terrorists that they don’t have all the high tech and such, they suffer more loses, but another thing is that most of these innocent Iraqis, weren’t killed purposely by the Americans, and not to mention that a lot of them were killed by their own men. |
As everyone else stated, IRAQ HAD ING NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. I don't think I have ever heard a European critizise the invasion of Afganistan for example (if it happend, it is a very very rare thing anyway), which was justified by you in defence for 9/11.
| quote: | | Wouldn’t you? Wouldn’t you fight if your people were dead? Your sounding like a fuc*ing liberal who wants world peace, you cant have piece with another man holding a gun and taking buildings down my friend. |
... This would pretty much justify further terror attacks on America. |
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| gouuryella |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rockabye
Come on...outside of the areas on the coasts you are a little behind the rest of the world, that's a fact ;) |
Behind? Elaborate on that. And you calling it a fact, like there is a fact book about it? I agree that there are Americans that could care less what happens in the world, but that’s not just Americans, I’m sure some Europeans wouldn’t give a crap what goes on in the world. You cant compare any European country to the US alone, we are too powerful, we are ahead of you guys by far. I’m not saying this to be cocky. If you want to combine all the Europeans together like you have then good luck with that, because I don’t see it happening.
Answering to everybody who thinks, that I think Iraq has something direct to do with 9/11. Of course it doesn’t, I am not stupid but at the same time I would like to ask you that what is the main reason why these Middle Eastern terrorist are attacking us? My whole theory on it, well not just mine, is that there is a big cultural difference, and a big hatred towards the Western Civilization and especially the U.S. By us creating Democracy in these countries and taking a leader like Saddam out of power, things will look good, you will have free elections, and a free society. I mean, we are not trying to make them like America. I think that if we spread democracy in these countries, things will be much easier. Taking Saddam out of power creates a lot of opportunities for the people of Iraq. Just like we did in Afghanistan, although it was an attack but at the same time, there was a new government and things were slowly changing. This was isn’t just about fighting and killing, although its going to happened, because after all, it is a war. But at the same time, we are actually doing something that will benefit everyone in the future, and not like someone mentioned above that we do not care about the world. |
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| Dervish |
I'd say the reason some americans sound a bit "underinformed" about the world is that world news is hard to come by there.
You basicly get the state news, then the national, then maybe a bit of world news (sometimes lumped into the national, to the extent that the world news is fact the national basicly).
In other words it can be harder to get world news as opposed to just US news.
Where as here we have BBC which means we get maybe more than half of the content is world news, or EuroNews which by design is all world news. |
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| gouuryella |
| Well thats good that you have BBC, we have CNN, but fu*k CNN, most of the news that comes from there is left wing. Anyways, I dont think your wrong but I also think that millions of Ameriacns care more about playing thier bills, taking care of their kids, working, ect ect. You dont have a big society of Americans that discuss politics in regular bases, I enjoy politics and that is why I discuss them with people, but to some ordinary person, politics are just another thing he doesnt want to worry about. So believe it or not, in America not alot of people really care about politics, or know much about it, because the system if built differently. |
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| gouuryella |
| Well thats good that you have BBC, we have CNN, but fu*k CNN, most of the news that comes from there is left wing. Anyways, I dont think your wrong but I also think that millions of Ameriacns care more about playing thier bills, taking care of their kids, working, ect ect. You dont have a big society of Americans that discuss politics in regular bases, I enjoy politics and that is why I discuss them with people, but to some ordinary person, politics are just another thing he doesnt want to worry about. So believe it or not, in America not alot of people really care about politics, or know much about it, because the system if built differently. I dont know if you understand me. |
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