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New law for the club,bar security (pg. 3)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
This is good for no one. There is already a mechanism for ensuring that bouncers and other staff are properly trained: competition. |
Competition will not create better bouncers......there are so many muscle heads out there who can get a job as a bouncer without any experience. Beside.....the course will probably be a one day or weekend course.
Personally, I think at least one bouncer should have proper medical training and all bouncers should be trained in proper take down techniques. |
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| Mortyman |
This ain't no cash grab!!! This is, most likely, how it will work...
I used to work for a security company, and it's mandatory that all security guards, no matter what company, has to go through a couple days of training to get their security license. I dunno about Ontario, but in BC they are called BST 1 and BST 2. They cost anywhere between $150-$300.
Usually... and this will still (most likely) ensure that current bouncers and staff, the company will pay for them to go through this training. Worst comes to worst... bouncers will have to pay out of their own pockets, and the remit the receipts to their employers and they will re-emburse them. This way it guarentees that all their employees are actually serious about their jobs, because they have to "front" the money themselves. Then it pretty much gets their foot in the door for jobs at any club/bar that is hiring for security positions. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Viva has the best bouncers. :D :D :D |
well thank you :) .come say hi next time ;) |
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| hardcore trancer |
what most of you seems to forget is that the security staff do get abused and threats all the time.Dont think that it is always the bouncers wanting to start for no reason.I worked in down town night clubs for long time and I can honsetly say that most of the people that do go there are bunch of morons with no respect for others.So why should I be all nice and respectful to people like that?
p.s when I say downtown I dont mean emd clubs,I mean the hiphop,top 40 clubs.;) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Competition will not create better bouncers...... |
Competition will result in bad bouncers getting fired, if the club that employs them wishes to retain its business. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Competition will result in bad bouncers getting fired, if the club that employs them wishes to retain its business. |
In theory yes, but in reality I can't say I agree.
Even some BASIC training is a good idea.
When I used to serve as a waiter, I didn't need any formal training (other than SmartServe) except what the establishment's experience taught me.
However, they brought in people to teach me how to present wine & food and the finer points of fine dining. This is a bonus both for me and the business I work for. Customer's are happier, keep coming back and I got way better tips. I'm the front line representing the business and the first face the customer sees and will remember.
This is not much different than bouncing. Courses, ANY courses, can only be a good thing both for the bouncer and the business that employees them.
Competition isn't going to stop another rat hole from springing up for a couple years just to replace another rat hole.
Good club estabilshments are rare in this city and I know you all agree that when you find one, you go back.
Not because of the lights, or the sound system but because of the people they employee, the curtious bartenders and bouncers that know their business and understand that a repeat customer is money in the bank.
Real good bouncers are hard to find, so much so that even in my many years of clubbing, I can honestly say I can only think of a handful that truly impressed me not just at the door, but in conducting themselves when they really needed to do their job.
Any meathead can stand at a door... |
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| DigiNut |
I never said that training is a bad idea or that bouncers shouldn't be trained - just that having government-controlled licensing for it isn't going to provide any tangible benefit to anyone other than the government.
Yes, a rat hole may spring up to replace another rat hole, but that's market forces. Bad businesses don't stay in business for long. As long as they keep it safe, i.e. comply with the fire code and such, there's no reason for the government to be monitoring their efforts. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I never said that training is a bad idea or that bouncers shouldn't be trained - just that having government-controlled licensing for it isn't going to provide any tangible benefit to anyone other than the government.
Yes, a rat hole may spring up to replace another rat hole, but that's market forces. Bad businesses don't stay in business for long. As long as they keep it safe, i.e. comply with the fire code and such, there's no reason for the government to be monitoring their efforts. |
They won't actually be monitoring though, they'll just make it a manditory stipulation of employment.
It's no different than having to take the SmartServe course in order to serve alcohol; bouncers, should they need to use force, need to know legally where their boundaries are. I'm not saying all bouncers are idiots and need it but there are a lot out there that have no idea of the liability they bring to their employer should they decide to use excessive force.
I've seen some brutal take-downs and a lot of unwarranted roughing up after the fact and that in my books is as unacceptable as the situation they're trying to defuse.
In fact, it was down-right, blatant assualt.
I'm willing to deal with a little government involvement if even to sift out those meatheads.
Lets look at it this way, for a couple hundred bucks, it's chump-change for most bouncers since it's not their primary income anyways; a non-issue.
As far as the government getting it, as long as it isn't the current one collecting... ;) :p |
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| Jayx1 |
Government regulation is not the magic wand that will make everyone's problems disappear.
I wish canadians would realize this. |
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| TO guy |
| I think you are all missing the point when you're saying that the governemnt is going to be making money off of this. Whatever fees they charge for licensing will likely only (if even that) offset the cost of the program. Taxpayers generally will end up paying for this, not club goers specifically. Government agencies generally cost money, they don't make money. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TO guy
I think you are all missing the point when you're saying that the governemnt is going to be making money off of this. Whatever fees they charge for licensing will likely only (if even that) offset the cost of the program. Taxpayers generally will end up paying for this, not club goers specifically. Government agencies generally cost money, they don't make money. |
They will be trained by government certified private companies (a licence will be needed which the government will make money from) and the security themselves will need licences (more money for the government).. so the overhead costs for this to the government is virtually nothing making it a cash grab.
Whomever thinks the smoking laws and laws like this are designed for your safety is living in a dream world. The tighter the controls are, the most likely you are going to break the law and have to pay a fine. Just look to parking enforcement and low speed limits for more obvious demonstrations of this kind of thinking. Its legallized corruption and its getting worse and worse. |
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| TO guy |
Its legislation. It can be changed.
So gun registry was a cash grab too? |
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