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PC vs. Mac G5 (pg. 6)
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| DJ Exprice |
| I use Logic Express 7.1 on a Powerbook G4 and it owns:tongue3 Go with the G5 |
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| dnt |
Though id post and say bye to everyone in this forum. I lasted 2 posts and 1 thread until I made it through this one and realized most posters here are devoid of logic or simple debating skills.
The amount of misinformation thats being spouted in this subject is rediculous.
Secondly, Diginut, if you are going to just knock down instantly any defense against your posts saying they need to provide proof, then you should follow up with the same instead of laying out your flapjack opinion as truth.
Hardware compatibility? Software Support? Are you kidding? Have you ever used OSX? Do you understand what a driverless architecture is? Or are you just another PC user who refuses to admit there are other computers out there in the world and guess what, they work just fine. I saw a comment on video cards more expensive? Huh? They use the same architecture thank you very much.
Yes you can get a PC cheaper if you buy bottom of the barrel. If you spend your moneys worth and build a high quality rig (Which you should for audio) then yes you will be spending as much as a MAC.
Anyways, you people enjoy your forum, I will stick the much more sensible audio crowd on the MOTU forums.
Oh gotta laugh at the MACs are for Grandmas and Gays. To bad a good majority of film composers and artists use Digital Performer or Logic (as ProTools is no longer a standard and hasnt been since 99) which are OSX only. I suppose your tranceaddict number 1 DJ is gay as he uses a G5 with Logic 7 Pro and ProTools in his home studio (Buurin)
Regards,
DNT |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by dnt
Secondly, Diginut, if you are going to just knock down instantly any defense against your posts saying they need to provide proof, then you should follow up with the same instead of laying out your flapjack opinion as truth. |
I supplied plenty of numbers and facts. Is there some point in particular that you think was not backed up with sufficient evidence? Feel free to bring it to my attention.
| quote: | | Do you understand what a driverless architecture is? |
Yes, it's a magical fantasy world where everything just works perfectly. In real life, tasks require instructions to perform and components require specifications in order to be used correctly. The idea of a "driverless architecture" makes about as much sense as a "programless computer".
| quote: | | Or are you just another PC user who refuses to admit there are other computers out there in the world and guess what, they work just fine. |
I'm pretty sure I never said those words. There are many other OSes out there with many variants on each: Linux, BeOS/Zeta, BSD, Flex/Flex9, PalmOS, VME, VAX, AIX, AOS, PROS, EROS, VMS/OpenVMS, VxWorks, ITS, VSE, VM, NOS, Ultrix, EOS, IRIX (Silicon Graphics), SunOS/Solaris, NeXtStep, System V, K42, GNU Hurd, and of course all of the Unisys systems, MS-DOS, DR-DOS, FreeDOS, and countless others that I can't remember offhand. Even the Macs have had several different flavours of operating systems: Lisa, A/UX, System 6, System 7, OS 8, OS 9, and finally OS X (10).
And believe it or not, THEY ALL WORK! Unbelievable, eh? Actually, I think your comment applies much more succinctly to Mac users, who seem to believe that the only two operating systems in existence are Windows and the Mac OS. They don't even realize that their precious computers are based on an operating system that's been around for ages (BSD) combined with elements from Mach and a few other sources.
| quote: | | I saw a comment on video cards more expensive? Huh? They use the same architecture thank you very much. |
Wasn't my comment - but you're still wrong. I'm taking this directly from Apple's site: http://www.apple.com/powermac/
| quote: | PCI Express Architecture
A modern PCI Express architecture opens up a world of high-performance expansion cards to the Mac platform. Two four-lane slots and one eight-lane slot are designed for the latest video I/O, audio DSP, and Fibre Channel expansion cards — so you’ll have tremendous power and productivity in a single system.(1) |
Followed by:
| quote: | | # PCI Express slots are not compatible with PCI or PCI-X expansion cards. |
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| quote: | | Yes you can get a PC cheaper if you buy bottom of the barrel. If you spend your moneys worth and build a high quality rig (Which you should for audio) then yes you will be spending as much as a MAC. |
No, a top-of-the-line PC costs half as much as a top-of-the-line Mac.
| quote: | | Anyways, you people enjoy your forum, I will stick the much more sensible audio crowd on the MOTU forums. |
We'll miss you (not).
| quote: | | Oh gotta laugh at the MACs are for Grandmas and Gays. |
I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Gotta hand it to you for taking it personally and freaking out, though. |
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| Storyteller |
could we please lay off this subject?
These discussions are always because of lame people to lazy to even do some research themselves about mac vs. pc, cubase vs logic, mom vs. dad.
Instant bans for those kind of people sure does sound nice when looking back at this thread.
There is no best, unless you're happy with what you got. |
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| TVG |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
There is no best, unless you're happy with what you got. |
But there is a best. It's like asking a carpenter do you want this cheap plastic hammer that looks nice but really is all plastic and will hurt your hands (the mac), or a solid titanium reinforced hammer that will get the job done with ease (the pc). |
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| Storyteller |
But what if your happy with a plastic hammer and don't know how to handle the huge hammer? I'm not going to say this again. The best solution is the environment which stimulates your inspiration and offer a workflow which you are satisfied with.
So I'd go for the plastic one in that case, and if that makes me happy, why shouldn't I?
Thank you for trying to reenlighten this useless discussion.
you got my #1 ban vote. |
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| fr0st |
| Moral of the story DigiNut is dick, and macs and PC's are both very powerfull though the g4 laptops are a bit dated, though that will change soon. Pick one and get on with the music, as one really isnt better than the other. |
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| DannyO |
LOL....well this thread has gone to , plus the original poster has made up his mind and I wish him the best, I think this thread should be locked now, just way to many people in here that don't know wtf there talking about, I know I sound biased with my Mac saying its all great, but it has its problems aswell, I just hate windows since even lastnight when I tried to install Win2000 Pro with SP4 on my mums computer (due to her previous windows OS going to ) it ended up crashing twice within about 15 minutes of use, it didn't even have anything else installed on it, so I just find this bull unexceptional, we have 6 other PCs in the house that all have problems constantly, and there all used for basic everyday things, even our Dell that we got, arrived with an OS so ed up, it had to be formatted and have a new OS installed, the same goes for my laptop, and in afew hours I have to go and try and fix my sisters new laptop that she got as she is also having problems with it.
I like the way my mac hasn't ed up yet (if it does then obviously my opinions will change) I don't like it for the fact its a MAC, I couldn't care less who makes it, just gimme a OS that works, if MS makes a OS that is better, without a doubt I'll change back, but to me that doesn't look likely, even though I have used the beta version of Vista and it looks better and has some nice features, I don't think it willl end up being all that much better than XP or the like, I hope they prove me wrong.
anyway I'd just like to add this real quote from Steve Jobs and Bill Gates (from back when they worked together, just before they became rivals)
Steve Jobs - "We'll always be better than you"
Bill Gates - "That doesn't matter stupid"
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| DigiNut |
DannyO: I don't question the fact that you're having problems with these various PCs. At the same time, I've had few if any problems with any of my 3 desktops at home and we've had virtually no problems with the dozens of Windows systems at work.
I think that a lot of it comes down to the way people use them (accumulating spyware and so on). Yes, I realize that this problem doesn't exist to the same extent on Macs, although I maintain that the relative absence of it is due to the marginal market share. With respect to the system that crashed 15 minutes after installing the OS, it sounds like a hardware problem to me.
Macs run more smoothly "out of the box" - I'll admit that. However, proper configuration of a PC is a relatively simple, short, one-time process, and that can be streamlined by using disk images and/or slipstreamed installs.
As I said earlier, if money wasn't an object then I'd get a quad G5 myself. I just don't think that Apple can justify its price point; if Macs were half the price or even 3/4 of the price then I'd be much more supportive of them. |
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| DannyO |
Digi, well maybe its just my bad luck, I still haven't tried sorting out my sisters computer yet, but sure I can get it running pretty well.
I think one of the reasons for apples high prices is that there really isn't any hardware competition for them, as apple have always chosen what they want in the systems from the start and have stuck to it, so anyone into custom building, stay away from apple, where as PCs have TONS of different hardware so they have to compete with there prices.
This is actually why MS payed apple alot of money (about 150 mil in shares) back in 97 and made abit of a contract (which included the whole office thing), due to everyone pretty much turning to PCs back then, apple was left in the dark and ended up with financial problems, MS decided to help them, partly because of there history, but mainly because MS needs to have competition, they have enough trouble as it is regarding "dominating" the pc market, if they were left as the only big OS company out there then it would just turn uglier for them, but aslong as there is competition for them then they can get away with alot of what they do, I personally have never seen a problem with MS trying to make software that covers all differant parts of using a PC (like browsing, music, video etc etc), this to me is just more options for the customer, but this is not how alot of other companies see it (although I see there POV aswell), its funny, but as far as I'm aware apple have never had this problem, yet with there OS, you get alot of different programs that have stopped me personally from going and trying to find similar software.
On an off topic subject, people REALLY need to protect there router access, sitting here at my sisters house using various other peoples wireless connections, with full access to there router using the DEFAULT password. |
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| Storyteller |
Same here, exploiting other people's wireless networks is killer, and legal :D.
Breaking in their pc's is illegal, and if you do illegal via their network the one whom pays for the connection is the responsible person. very cool :D |
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| Luke Terry |
i think this has served it's purpose now...
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