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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
That's it. Probably the most addictive and widely used break of all time, next to maybe the Amen. |
whats Amen? |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
whats Amen? |
It started off as a song called "Amen, Brother" by the Winstons who were a 60's funk act. The main rhythm of the song is sampled in most jungle and drum and bass music and even influenced a couple hip-hop rhythms. That now familiar sample is simply referred to as the Amen break. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
It started off as a song called "Amen, Brother" by the Winstons who were a 60's funk act. The main rhythm of the song is sampled in most jungle and drum and bass music and even influenced a couple hip-hop rhythms. That now familiar sample is simply referred to as the Amen break. |
intresting.. you learn something new everyday :D |
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| paranoik0 |
| sample of that amen thing please |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
sample of that amen thing please |
it's on ishkur's guide i think. |
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| ivanbee |
| what about all that afrika bambata ? |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I would say that while Numbers isn't technically the first electro track...it would be the prime ingredient in electro. Not actually Numbers itself, but just that breakbeat, which is in literally 80% of electro and 50% of freestyle, and of that number, almost all of them sample the break from Planet Rock, though a few use the original Numbers, and some reconstitute it piecemeal by themselves (though they don't have to). It's a simple 2-bar break that sounds something like this:
Boom-cha boom cha
boom-cha boom boom-cha-ka-boom
That's it. Probably the most addictive and widely used break of all time, next to maybe the Amen. Beats out everything I've ever listened to in terms of sampling, ripping off, copying, plagiarizing, and flat out emulating. The Numbers break.Did it exist before Numbers, though? That's the big question. I can't find any evidence of it. |
First of all it's a coincedence that Planet Rock sounds like Numbers. It's like saying Paul Van Dyk's 'For An Angel' was sampled from the track 'YMCA' by the Village People just because they both incorporate the same 4/4 dance beat. Planet Rock has nothing to do with electro. It was mainly a contribution by Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force to the then up and coming hip-hop/rap movement of the early 80's.
I also disagree that the prime ingredient in electro is the beat. Electro did not have a completely defined beat. It was one of those genres of music that you could not immediately identify based on the beat alone as opposed to other genres of music such as jungle or drum and bass. Electro is so much more than that 'consisting of synthesizers used for the melodies and basslines, electronic drum machines for percussion and - many times - vocoders or other sound effects for the vocals. In addition to these instruments, tape recorders and later samplers were used to reproduce prerecorded sounds within a song context. Sequencers were used to compose, record and play back the music. Finally, computer software has recently become a popular alternative to create, compose and record electronic music.' Although most of the music used a typical dance beat there were some variations. Below I have provided a zip file with samples that exude the very essence that is the definition of electro:
Electro Samples
Also the samples should answer your question of whether electro had any early beginnings prior to 1980. In one sample there is a song by Kraftwerk themselves called Trans-Europe Express dated 1978 which differ from the 'Numbers' break. My main point is that electro is not defined by its beat nor is it the main ingredient.
Since you mentioned breakbeat I'll let you slide on this one, but I'd be careful how you label electro as 50% Freestyle. Freestyle music is also known as latin hip-hop. Most of the music talks about love's trials and tribulations, breakups, heart-aches, and the like. After freestyle was on it's last leg in the mid-90's it evolved into what we now know as breaks or breakbeats. Below is a zip file full of freestyle samples:
Free Style Samples |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
First of all it's a coincedence that Planet Rock sounds like Numbers.
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It's not a coincidence. THEY ING SAMPLED IT, and then laid the 808 pops on top of it. LISTEN TO THE ING TRACK.....hear the midrange crunchy sound? That's Numbers, stupid. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
It's not a coincidence. THEY ING SAMPLED IT, and then laid the 808 pops on top of it. LISTEN TO THE ING TRACK.....hear the midrange crunchy sound? That's Numbers, stupid. |
Excellent way to support an argument using expletives rather than knowledge. This conversation's over so read my sig and go away. |
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| ivanbee |
| stevie boy is a genius |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
Excellent way to support an argument using expletives rather than knowledge. This conversation's over so read my sig and go away. |
I don't know what your sig says. I have all images, sigs and avatars turned off because they distract from the flow of conversation.
I use expletives for emphasis...as in "how can you be so bloody dumb?!" which is what I usually do when one--as in this case, you--won't listen to reason and knowledge.
Okay, so a generation of hip hop-electro artists, self-admitted Kraftwerk lovers, Kraftwerk samplers, Kraftwerk referrers, Kraftwerk emulators and supporters......just by happenstance created a breakbeat that sounds exactly like a Kraftwerk track from their latest LP?
Yeah, and it's just coincidence that the climbing scales in Cybotron's Clear sound exactly like Kraftwerk's Home Computer. Give your head a shake. Dan Sicko's "Techno Rebels" tells the story, not you. |
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