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Electro (pg. 4)
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Who gives a who created it? |
Not you.
| quote: | | not the watered down crap from 2005 |
I'm curious, what crap is this and in what way or ways is it watered down? Maybe a few examples.
| quote: | | honestly I like electro |
I doubt it. |
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| XenatR |
| ABBA started the electro scene in the 70s |
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| Inertia |
so yeah, i'm with Psy-T here. we have to all agree on a definition of electro before we can discuss where it begins.
i'm certainly not the most knowledgeable one here, and i may be wrong, but isn't one of, if not the most defining characteristic of electro is the use of a considerable amount of distortion, cutoff and/or similar attributes in its melodic elements? also, the use of square waves maybe? |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by XenatR
ABBA started the electro scene in the 70s |
ABBA doesn't even make Electro, and the 'Electro scene' was started in New York circa 1982 by Afrika Bambaataa, or stretching it, earlier in the 80's/late 70's by Kraftwerk as a result of their records being breakdanced to in New York breakdance parties.
| quote: | | but isn't one of, if not the most defining characteristic of electro is the use of a considerable amount of distortion, cutoff and/or similar attributes in its melodic elements? also, the use of square waves maybe? |
No and no. Two of Electro's most prominent or recognizable characteristics would probably be the use of vocoders and breakbeats(usually the TR-808), though by no means do those define it. What defines it...well...what are the similarities between...
This electro
This electro
This electro
And this electro
Good luck. Shouldn't be too hard now.
Oh yeah, and stevieboy, Trans Europe Express was released in '77 not '78. And yes, the drum pattern in 'Planet Rock' comes from 'Numbers'. Kraftwerk sued over that track in fact, settling out of court for around $900 bucks American. |
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| Allied Nations |
I have autobahn on vinyl, am I electro elite?:toothless
:stongue:
Oh, and the threadstarter is obviously someone's second account. |
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| Xtatica |
| Magic Fly by space 1977 - or popcorn by Hotbutter 1971 they were the foundations of elecro...... |
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| beats and beeps |
hey we are talking about old music...
TIME TO SCREAM RIOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT IN LAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZ
http://www.discogs.com/release/74587
No wait, thats not the start of electro, thats the start of idm, wait no it isnt. Its the start of nothing.
Good record though. |
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| LieberDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
First of all it's a coincedence that Planet Rock sounds like Numbers. It's like saying Paul Van Dyk's 'For An Angel' was sampled from the track 'YMCA' by the Village People just because they both incorporate the same 4/4 dance beat. Planet Rock has nothing to do with electro. It was mainly a contribution by Afrika Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force to the then up and coming hip-hop/rap movement of the early 80's.
I also disagree that the prime ingredient in electro is the beat. Electro did not have a completely defined beat. It was one of those genres of music that you could not immediately identify based on the beat alone as opposed to other genres of music such as jungle or drum and bass. Electro is so much more than that 'consisting of synthesizers used for the melodies and basslines, electronic drum machines for percussion and - many times - vocoders or other sound effects for the vocals. In addition to these instruments, tape recorders and later samplers were used to reproduce prerecorded sounds within a song context. Sequencers were used to compose, record and play back the music. Finally, computer software has recently become a popular alternative to create, compose and record electronic music.' Although most of the music used a typical dance beat there were some variations. Below I have provided a zip file with samples that exude the very essence that is the definition of electro:
Electro Samples
Also the samples should answer your question of whether electro had any early beginnings prior to 1980. In one sample there is a song by Kraftwerk themselves called Trans-Europe Express dated 1978 which differ from the 'Numbers' break. My main point is that electro is not defined by its beat nor is it the main ingredient.
Since you mentioned breakbeat I'll let you slide on this one, but I'd be careful how you label electro as 50% Freestyle. Freestyle music is also known as latin hip-hop. Most of the music talks about love's trials and tribulations, breakups, heart-aches, and the like. After freestyle was on it's last leg in the mid-90's it evolved into what we now know as breaks or breakbeats. Below is a zip file full of freestyle samples:
Free Style Samples |
very good, kraftwerk robots from 1978 sounds like electro to me. numbers as well. The use of the tr-808 preceeded arthur baker as it was created in 1978. Yellow magic orchestra from japan released 1000 knives which was very electro sounding (before arthur baker released planet rock)
now call me silly but isnt it odd to "coin" the first electro track as simply being a mash up of two kraftwerk tracks and use of a different drum machine? I believe that the 808 was used before then to make a similar sound. the original release of 1000 knives from 1978 did not use an 808 machine and is just very experimental soundind, however the 1981 version done by yellow magic orchestra was very electro sounding with the aid of the Tr 808. Roland being a japanese company, there is no surprise that its first professional usage would emerge from japan.
here is a sample of 1000 knives from 1981
http//s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0NNZV35XQLQHS16V5WI4H8UNJ2
Arthur baker put the pieces together and made it take off but true electro in its raw original form has its origins in europe and japan. |
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| LieberDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Oh, and the threadstarter is obviously someone's second account. |
what, do you find it hard to believe that a man of my age would listen to electronic music? you must be young and ignorant |
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| XenatR |
all that oldschool sounds awful.. at least to me now, but it mustve been something quite different and interesting back then
i suppose if it wasnt for those guys i wouldnt be listening to the great thing that is eurotrance and eurodance now, so im thankful.. but its still not to my taste -,-
but ABBA started the electro scene, and theyre good, so maybe i do like it lol :D |
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| Ishkur |
LieberDJ, all that stuff you mention is all well and good, but it's missing one key component that is absolutely essential to electro, and is absent from all other works because only American black funk musicians understand it so well: Bass.
Miami is the home of the mothering bass
Detroit motorcity is always in the place
Germany can't you see is where it all began
Kraftwerk and Bambaataa had a master plan |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by XenatR
but ABBA started the electro scene, |
No. |
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