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the "im stoned" appreciation thread (pg. 8)
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by sm44
If your interested there is more info here http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm
But basically before the war weed was needed so they suspended the marijuna Tax Act 1942 and made a campaign for hemp growers
- poster: "Grow Hemp for The War" (1942)
- movie: "Hemp for Victory" (1943)
Then the war finished and the whole 'war on drugs' started and hemp plantations were destroyed, 1945
USA: Late 1960s - Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, California
- 30,000 medical records
- problems with hallucinogens, amphetamines, etc., etc.
- No 'cannabis psychosis'
Not sure of the study he cited for no negative effects but it was on long-term smokers in jamica. Problem with alot of marijuna research is that they take much more than marijuna which skews the results.
Im neither for or against but there is so much made up crap mainly from americans 'war on drugs' like marihuana causes pacifism, passivity & impotence, psychosis, homosexuality, depression, memory loss, cognitive disabilty, lethargy, predisposition to heroin (or anything), breasts on males, genetic abnormality, infertility.
I cant be bothered getting the rest, |
• Historical uses:
– Medicinal properties noted in ancient China (c. 2737 BC)
– Religious purposes (e.g., Hinduism)
– Recreational use (e.g., ancient Greek physician Galen)
Prevalence of Cannabis Use
• Dramatic increase in Western countries during 1960s and 1970s
is what I got from my notes :)
Re:choice/addiction...If you can chose, it's not addiction. Addiction is what happens when there is no choice, just need.
People make excuses about any and all drugs (hello alcohol to 'lubricate you', pills to 'enhance' your chattie ness). No many people are willing to accept the real reasons why they take drugs, always looking for an excuse or self justification.
--djway |
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Smoking weed does not automatically make you by default a non-motivated, stupid person, even if you use it heavily. |
Any drug taken heavily or regulary will take a toll on your motivation. Try getting drunk every night, or taking pills, or doing whiz, they all take a massive toll the next day. Hell even massive weekend benders take a chunk out of the next week (heard of terrible Tuesdays or a hangover?)
The thing with that is, most people don't drink/pill/whiz every day, where as a fair few do smoke the green -- It's cheap, takes a few minutes, and will "put you to sleep".
Each to their own for substance of choice, by the same blade, don't go hating on others for their choices of substance.
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
i can't imagine many people in the world thinking they will choose to become dependant on a drug, live in a gutter and rob people to pay off their dealer. |
The general method is those who live in pain take a drug to ease the pain(shoot away the pain, drink away the pain, sniff away the pain, smoke away the pain...etc) . There's your sterotype bums and pro's for starters.
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
i thought that people don't choose to abuse a substance, they try it a couple of times and then the drug causes an addiction making your body dependant on it, so you need it. isn't that what happens? i can't imagine many people in the world thinking they will choose to become dependant on a drug, live in a gutter and rob people to pay off their dealer. |
Given the fact that weed is far less physically addictive than nicotine, or even alcohol for that matter, this arguement doesn't fly for me. No matter how heavily you use weed, it is still a choice. Me being a prime example of that, having used it for long periods of time almost everyday, I never felt I 'needed' to use it for anything, nor did my schooling suffer or my direction in life change. Even then, I made a choice at some point that I wanted to cut back to get myself back in decent shape to play sports at a competitive level again, and was able to do that without any trouble. Regular weed use does not destroy your motivation or ability to perforom complex tasks, in fact, the more I smoked weed during the time I used it the most, the more I found I suffered less the 'fried' feeling the next day. Hell, even when I did get the stupids the next day, a cup of coffee would do enough to clear my head as to make me think I was completely sober the night before.
I can cite countless others who are/were like me with this very same substance.
Furthermore, do you really believe it's not a person's fault if they get addicted to coke, crystal meth, or heroine? You think people who use those drugs actually don't know or didn't know their first time that they were using a highly addictive substances? I mean, seriously, for every person, save maybe a few crack babies, there was a time in their lives where they did not have a chemical dependancy on a drug, but they CHOSE to try the drug knowing the possible consequences, knowing full well they may become dependant. That was their choice, and they have to accept the ramifications of their actions. It's time that all of western society grew up and started taking responsibility for their own actions instead of looking to lay blame elsewhere. |
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| DaveBegic |
| Whats interesting here is a pothead like Sly_Guy trying to act like people who abuse other substances are in the wrong some how. I love it how people who use a certain substance try and act like it's fine and then everything else is ty for your health. Nobody's stinks when it's their own does it? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| good point begic. and i agree. however id also argue there *are* different levels of drugs (just like there are at the pharmacy). for instance i would say morphine should be classified differently to, say, ventolin (asthma medication). i would thus draw a line between THC & heroin for instance. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveBegic
Whats interesting here is a pothead like Sly_Guy trying to act like people who abuse other substances are in the wrong some how. I love it how people who use a certain substance try and act like it's fine and then everything else is ty for your health. Nobody's stinks when it's their own does it? |
especially not yours.
Look, I chose to use weed. I can live with my decision. I am well aware of the risks and benefits, and am comfortable with them. Everyone making a choice about drugs should be able to take the same responsibility.
I'm not saying other drugs are bad or good for you. The fact of the matter is, the human body has a remarkable ability to heal, so most things can be done in moderation with little effect. It just so happens that I chose weed as one of my favorites because it is relatively not habit forming, it's side effects are little to nil, and from the fact I had witnessed an extremely large number of people around me using it without any negative repercussions.
So no, I'm not saying people are in the wrong for using other drugs. I'm very pro-choice, for any substance. But you have missed my point; it's not that people are wrong for using drugs, it's that people who choose to use drugs, knowing the risks, and then turn around and blame the drug itself because of what it is by nature.
And in the day and age we live in, in an english speaking world dominated by the fear mongering american attitudes about such drugs, how can one even contend 'I didn't know what it could do to me' before they even picked up any drug habit? |
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| MiSSyM |
| quote: | | That was their choice, and they have to accept the ramifications of their actions. It's time that all of western society grew up and started taking responsibility for their own actions instead of looking to lay blame elsewhere. |
Totally agree!!
;) ;) ;)
| quote: | | People make excuses about any and all drugs (hello alcohol to 'lubricate you', pills to 'enhance' your chattie ness). No many people are willing to accept the real reasons why they take drugs, always looking for an excuse or self justification. |
| quote: | | they try it a couple of times and then the drug causes an addiction making your body dependant on it, so you need it. |
Taking drugs is personal choice. However I dont agree with how some people take drugs just to be chatty, to forget problems, etc, etc. They should not be doing drugs in the first place, as it will probably only make things worse. Some people have got to learn how to control their drugs (not let the drugs control them)!
Philby-a lot of the time, addictions are psychological.
Its all in the power of the mind! |
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| Dean Millson |
if you've never touched a drop of alcohol in your life or smoked a cigarette etc then you're in a position to lecture people about their life choices with respect to drugs.
if not then stfu :) |
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| MiSSyM |
to the shiezerhousan
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| AnitA |
| quote: | Originally posted by MiSSyM
Totally agree!!
;) ;) ;)
Taking drugs is personal choice. However I dont agree with how some people take drugs just to be chatty, to forget problems, etc, etc. They should not be doing drugs in the first place, as it will probably only make things worse. Some people have got to learn how to control their drugs (not let the drugs control them)!
Philby-a lot of the time, addictions are psychological.
Its all in the power of the mind! |
True, true......sounds like a few vegetables we have come across (ie. exhibit A - Vanessa )...faces that needs to be punched, to put them out of their misery. :D |
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| MiSSyM |
:eek: :eek: :eek:
DONT BE such a BITCH!
lol
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Exhibit B - that old guy we fried coz he couldnt speak the munted vegetable. You didnt know if he was a cauliflower or a brocolli, he was one or the other... ROFL |
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