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delerium - semantic spaces
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| ambrus07 |
i just discovered this gem and i was blown away...!! who knew these guys were so good in '94?! certainly not the sound i expected from the duo who produced 'Silence' 'Underwater' and the album 'Chimera.'
the Hindu chant on Resurrection f*kin blows my mind!! amazing CD through and through. why is Semantic Spaces so obscure when it's so good??? |
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| montana |
| because to the average trancepunter, delerium didn't exist in their realm unil matt darey remixed heavens earth. delerium's early works are top stuff and that has been a known fact for a long time, morpheus and the faces,forms&illusions albums are amongst their best work really. wicked neo is bound to tell some more, and ishkur i think also |
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| ambrus07 |
| yes, listening to Morpheus really showed me where their name came from, but that record in my mind is far surpassed by Semantic Spaces. and I have to admit, I had first heard of Delerium because of Heaven's Earth so that would make me a trancepunter too late to catch on i guess ;) important thing is now i know what i should have known a long time ago. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I thought it was rubbish, to be honest. The way it stole from every notable ambient album of the time had something to do with it, as did the way it felt like a soulless sample collection. |
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| ambrus07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I thought it was rubbish, to be honest. The way it stole from every notable ambient album of the time had something to do with it, as did the way it felt like a soulless sample collection. |
sample collection, sure. but soulless??
i've heard about how they sampled enigma, etc.. but the album to me seems remarkably ahead of its time for a '94 release. doubtless they had their inspirations, but consider the possibilty that other ambient groups stole from them and not the other way around.
i just feel this album doesnt get enough recognition, especially when compared to some of the people are praising these days.. |
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| Spartan |
I love listening to this CD as well, although I always skip over the first track which I think doesn't flow as well into the rest (just my opinion).
I've always wondered what the name meant though... Semantic Spaces, could somebody explain it to me? Spaces that don't matter? |
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| Wicked Neo |
Semantic Spaces, Delerium's first album release on the nettwerk label and a departure from thier earlier work.
Delerium (Bill Leeb & Rhys Fulber) was formed so that Leeb & Fulber could show another side to thier music, thier main project being Front Line Assembly was based in Industrial roots, Delerium was meant to be the more tribal, ambient side of industrial.
Seamantic Spaces was the first of thier albums to feature vocal tracks for example, all provided for on this album by Kristy Thirsk.
Seamantic Spaces was also more 'dancefloor' friendly, the Enigma sound of this album was a deliberate move
There are a few samples used in this album but it has a lot of influences from the etheral pop scene of the time
here is a list of the samples used on this album
Flowers Become Screens
0:00-1:53 female choir, repeated at different pitches
Baraka
Resurrection
1:07 main drum beat, repeated througout
Future Sound Of London, "Paupa New Guinea"
Metaphor
1:16, 5.02 drum sequence sample
Enigma, "Sadeness"
1.??, 5.?? drum loop following Enigma sample
Madonna, "Erotica (Erotic Mix)"
Flatlands
0:18 drum sequence sample
Enigma, "Sadeness"
?.?? clicking effect in background
Enigma, "Way to Eternity"
Metamorphosis
2.02 buzzing snare and triangle loop (continues whole song)
Coil, "Windowpane"
Sensorium
4.10 tribal-like drums
Deep Forest, "Savanah Dance"
6.21 percussions and swirling "hissing" noises
Enigma, "Sadeness (meditation mix)"
6.53 pygmy chant
Deep Forest, "Sweet Lullaby"
Thier next album release proper was Karma and of course is the album that contains 'Silence' & 'Heavens Earth' (heavens earth is on the bonus disc) and that of course is where they really got noticed by the trance scene with four tracks being picked up and remixed by the likes of Matt Darey and Rabbit In The Moon and basicly completed thier move away from thier original ambient industrial sound. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by ambrus07
i've heard about how they sampled enigma, etc.. but the album to me seems remarkably ahead of its time for a '94 release. doubtless they had their inspirations, but consider the possibilty that other ambient groups stole from them and not the other way around.
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To me it just sounds like The Cross of Changes or somesuch early 90s ambient breaks, but where as Enigma's efforts often touched brilliance, Delerium just found mediocrity.
Some of the samples are more obvious than others- a major one you should have spotted was the straight swipe of Papua New Guinea's beat on one track. It was dangerous enough to sample such a strong track, especially if you're going to make what amounts to an inferior sound-a-like, but doing it within a couple of years of its release? |
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| Snooper |
| If you like Semantic Spaces you should check out Spheres and Spheres 2, which is even better IMO. Great acid ambient/illbient sound. |
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| Sykonee |
Consensual Worlds samples some of The Orb as well, Blue Room specifically, as I recall.
And weren't some of the choir chants in Metaphor and Resurrection from Vangelis (specifically the 1492 soundtrack)? |
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| sensorium |
| I agree, regardless of the sampling, it is a good album. I would say what my favorite track off the album is but it's given. :p |
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| ambrus07 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To me it just sounds like The Cross of Changes or somesuch early 90s ambient breaks, but where as Enigma's efforts often touched brilliance, Delerium just found mediocrity.
Some of the samples are more obvious than others- a major one you should have spotted was the straight swipe of Papua New Guinea's beat on one track. It was dangerous enough to sample such a strong track, especially if you're going to make what amounts to an inferior sound-a-like, but doing it within a couple of years of its release? |
it sounded vaguely familiar but i had never listened to FSOL enough to be able to tell exactly what that familiarity alluded to. i'll definitely check that out for myself when i get home. is that where the vocal sample came from too?
i'm encouraged by the fact that you call this CD mediocre. that means there will be some albums in this genre that are even better.. could you give me some ideas? i'm pretty new to ambient. |
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