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I only just found out that there's an election soon, and I found this also from (Love or hate him) Michael Moore:
Michael Moore is currently in production on his next movie. As an avid lover of all things Canadian, he has issued the following statement regarding Canada's upcoming election on Monday:
Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, and certainly a well-developed sense of irony, but this is no longer funny. Maybe it's a new form of Canadian irony -- reverse irony! OK, now I get it. First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't. You give your native peoples their own autonomy and their own territory -- and then you vote for a man who wants to cut aid to these poorest of your citizens. Wow, that is intense! Only Canadians could pull off a hat trick of humor like that. My hat's off to you.
Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do. Well, actually, you've got just one American who keeps telling you to roll over and fetch and sit. I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing. Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do. And yes, one party in power for more than a decade gets a little... long. But you have a parliamentary system (I'll bet you didn't know that -- see, that's why you need Americans telling you things!). There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.
These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest? Is that how you want millions of us down here to see you from now on? The next notch in the cowboy belt? C'mon, where's your Canadian pride? I mean, if you're going to reduce Canada to a cheap download of Bush & Co., then at least don't surrender so easily. Can't you wait until he threatens to bomb Regina? Make him work for it, for Pete's sake.
But seriously, I know you're not going to elect a guy who should really be running for governor of Utah. Whew! I knew it! You almost had me there. Very funny. Don't do that again. God, I love you, you crazy cold wonderful neighbors to my north. Don't ever change.
Michael Moore
(Mr. Moore is not available for interviews because he now needs to address the situation in Azerbaijan. But he could be talked into it for a couple of tickets to a Leaf's game.)
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So who are you voting for, and is it true - some of the above?? |
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| hardcore trancer |
If that redneck Harper wins Iam moving to europe.I cannot tolerate another G.W. Bush running my country.The Liberals get my vote and I dont care about the scandles,Every in government in this wold is corrupt one way or another.Harper is hungry for power and his views on alot of issues scare the out of me.
I hope our people use their brains and dont fall for his bull. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
If that redneck Harper wins Iam moving to europe.I cannot tolerate another G.W. Bush running my country.The Liberals get my vote and I dont care about the scandles,Every in government in this wold is corrupt one way or another.Harper is hungry for power and his views on alot of issues scare the out of me.
I hope our people use their brains and dont fall for his bull. |
Dood....if an American was to actually look at Harper, they'd still call him a socialist.
American Conservatives are not EVEN CLOSE to what Canadian Conservatives are.
Funny you should mention this because I just had this conversation with a friend of mine today...
It's pretty much a forgone conclusion that Harper is going to win, the real question is, by how much? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
If that redneck Harper wins Iam moving to europe.I cannot tolerate another G.W. Bush running my country.The Liberals get my vote and I dont care about the scandles,Every in government in this wold is corrupt one way or another.Harper is hungry for power and his views on alot of issues scare the out of me. |
Just because every country has it (well not every country though but I suppose to some extent), does that make it right in Canada? Really, vote NDP or whatever, I don't care, point is that the liberals need to deal with themselves after this scandal, something which they haven't yet, and sadly they need a defeat in this election to make them realise they need to clean up in their own party. Personally I think it's sad that the liberal party is like it is, because on most parts I would agree with them a lot more than I would with the conservatives, however, I simply cannot tolerate corruption and I therefore think it's a lot better that the conservatives win this time (plus it's not good for any party to be in power for too long).
Anyway, why should I care I'm not even living there anymore :p |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Silly goats, Canada dosnt have elections, they are a communist state.... look at that goofy red star on their flag... :p |
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Stick to COR you idiot. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
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Stick to COR you idiot. |
Nou's actually been on PDD for a while and has done his homework. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Nou's actually been on PDD for a while and has done his homework. |
Oh, I havent seen him much though. Always seen him post only silly new threads in COR and than people calling him 'Mother ****** / Son of Bitch / You' etc. in his thread. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Oh, I havent seen him much though. |
Well, I joined TA back in late 2004. He used to post regularly back them. I haven't seen much of him lately on PDD.
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Always seen him post only silly new threads in COR and than people calling him 'Mother ****** / Son of Bitch / You' etc. in his thread. |
It's the COR, what do you expect, civility? :stongue: |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
So PDD, enlighten me, what is at stake here? |
Not much in my opinion. However, the economist tells it better than I:
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Those daring Canadians
Jan 19th 2006
From The Economist print edition
And why they should vote Conservative this time
Reuters
AS THEY made clear when America had one in the 18th century, Canadians do not much like revolutions. But if the pollsters are right, something that will pass north of the 49th parallel for a revolution is indeed about to occur. In the general election due on January 23rd (see article), Canadian voters seem set to sack their Liberal government and put the Conservatives back into power for the first time in 12 years.
On the face of it, the sacking seems perverse, and ungrateful. The Liberals have given Canada a long period of stable politics, enlightened social policy and economic growth, boosted lately by the world's growing appetite for Canada's plentiful energy and natural resources. Although the prime minister, Paul Martin, has had the top job only since the end of 2003, he gave a stellar performance as finance minister in the years before that, restoring order to public finances the Tories had left in chaos. By comparison, his Conservative challenger, Stephen Harper, is an unknown quantity, untested by previous high office and until recently written off as a not especially competent leader of the opposition. In short, barring a last-minute reversion to type as they enter the polling stations, Canadians seem to have decided to take a gamble. Gambling will be out of character. It will also, on this occasion, be right.
The Liberals have done many good things over the past 12 years, but have lately succumbed to the three familiar vices of a party that has been too long in power. The first of these is sleaze. Mr Martin would not be holding this unpopular mid-winter election at all but for the unearthing of a decade-old financing scandal under which public money intended to promote the federal cause in Quebec was diverted to the Liberals and their cronies. The second is fractiousness. Mr Martin became prime minister only after mounting a palace coup against his predecessor, Jean Chrétien. Instead of uniting around the new leader, the party thereupon coalesced around two sullen and unforgiving camps. The last is directionlessness. However stellar his performance as a finance minister, Mr Martin has failed as prime minister to convey a sense of policy priorities to his demoralised civil servants or of national purpose to Canadians at large.
The west's turn
The vices of prolonged incumbency might be enough to persuade voters in almost any democracy that it was time for a change. But Canada has another reason on top of this to welcome a Conservative victory. Over recent years, many people in western Canada, where the Conservatives are strongest, have come to believe that their part of the country does not get a fair hearing in Ottawa, where national politics is traditionally dominated by Ontario and Quebec, and the latter's constant talk of secession. Westerners ruefully note that since 1968 Canada has spent 36 years under prime ministers who come from Quebec, or represent constituencies in Quebec, and a mere 15 months under prime ministers from the west. As an adopted westerner, Mr Harper might therefore be in a good position to inject new unity into a federation under strain.
Much depends, of course, on what Mr Harper and his party actually do with victory if they win. The Liberals portray the Conservatives as sinister social extremists, intent on importing dangerous neo-conservative ideas from the United States. In the election of June 2004, this line played well, not least because of the extreme unpopularity of George Bush in Canada. Half way through the campaign, voters switched away from Mr Harper for fear that he would turn too sharply right on economic, social and perhaps even foreign policy.
This time, Mr Harper has been cannier, moving to the centre where Canadians feel comfortable. Though the Conservatives say they will cut some taxes, the Liberals have proposed tax cuts too. And Mr Harper has made it plain that he will do nothing too radical to Canada's generous welfare model or cherished public health service. If he is to be believed, a somewhat left of centre government will be superseded by a somewhat right of centre government. Contrary to what the Liberals say, this will not turn Canada into the United States. Indeed, by America's standards, Canada's gamble may turn out to be a pallid affair. All the more reason to risk a flutter.
http://www.economist.com/displaysto...tory_id=5411958
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Yea, the COR and PDD are pretty much the same, except people actually try to sound smart around here... :p note, I said TRY... ;)
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I may be biased (however I make frequent forays into the COR so I'm well aware of what goes on there) but that's the most rediculous thing I've read in some time ;) . You'll have to do better to than that. |
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| DJ_RRebel |
| I missed this thread ... but as mentioned in another topic .. my opinion can be found at www.pleasesavecanada.com :) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_RRebel
I missed this thread ... but as mentioned in another topic .. my opinion can be found at www.pleasesavecanada.com :) |
Which of course is a full website of complete tripe.
The Liberal party is about to get their asses handed to them tonight and I can't wait... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Not much in my opinion. However, the economist tells it better than I:
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Good article occrider and very true.
Time and time again I have to tell people that Canadian Conservativies are NOT U.S. Republicans.
The U.S. fear mongering isn't even palatable any more, it just rials me up because it's normally follow by complete ignorance... :whip:
Incidently, I find these are the same people that like to point out Michael Moore's pathetic pleading release today.
There's someone who's starch would keep a bakery open for a few centuries...and yea, what a pillar of information! :rolleyes:
Anybody who bases their vote on a person who doesn't even live in the country needs to have their head examined. |
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