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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
My government have been trying to do this for years, and we currently have among the highest rate of sick ppl in the world. It sounds good but it really isn't a genius idea. Plus as some others pointed out, social engineering is NOT what Canada needs right now, and it is really a disgusting thing to do to your population. |
Well, alright then. If 'social engineering' is the problem, as some of you TAs here have pointed out, then answer me this question:
For how long will we have to postpone reversing the damage to the environment and to people alike, before we destroy the entire ecosystem of the planet?
The longer we wait and wait, the less chances we'll have to save our environment. Billions of people around the world live in poverty (over 2 billion live on less than 2 dollars a day). Then there are rainforests cut down every minute, acres of them. When will we stop? If we keep postponing changes, very soon there will be nothing left for our children and their children's children to see. WAKE UP, CANADA!
In 1934, there were 2 billion people on the planet. In 1999 there were 6 billion. Now we have 6.5 billion. At this pace by 2050 by many estimates we will have not enough food to feed the people on the planet. The technology and soul degredation will simply not be able to sustain all of us, expecially the overfed overwheight North Americans (us) who produce 50% of world's pollution (US mostly) and use a third or more of world's resources.
When will we stop? As soon as we run out of oil and other fossil fuels and freshwater supplies are becoming scarse as it is (by the way, Canada now has A HALF of all world's freshwater), when there will be too much cardon dioxide in the air and not enough trees to convert it to oxygen, people will go to wars to get other people's food, shelter, better way of life. Its already starting - US went to war in Iraq for oil primarily ... we are squandering the planet's resources at a steep rate. There is no argument about it, its a FACT. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Why am I not surprised... hahaha.
The last thing we need as Canadians is more government micromanagement. People don't seem to realize that whether or not they've got a nice philosophy, it's morally wrong to try to enforce it on everyone. |
oh liberity......I think that since we cannot force a society until social engineering because it is morally wrong we should legalize cocaine and extacy use. They are probably just as bad as smoking is hmmm I feel like a cigerette
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Well, alright then. If 'social engineering' is the problem, as some of you TAs here have pointed out, then answer me this question:
For how long will we have to postpone reversing the damage to the environment and to people alike, before we destroy the entire ecosystem of the planet?
The longer we wait and wait, the less chances we'll have to save our environment. |
I agree that the environment problem is serious, and should be taken care of. I am not really enough into the environmental policies of Canda to comment on this, but I'm only guessing the green party is taking things to a little too extreame. Guess someone can fill me in here though. Otherwise give me a day and I will get back to you.
| quote: | | Billions of people around the world live in poverty (over 2 billion live on less than 2 dollars a day). |
Yes and the greenparty want to double this group by implementing protectionist trade policies.... :rolleyes:
| quote: | | Then there are rainforests cut down every minute, acres of them. When will we stop? If we keep postponing changes, very soon there will be nothing left for our children and their children's children to see. WAKE UP, CANADA! |
So what exactly is Canada going to do about this? Pre-empetive strikes against countries cutting down their rainforests?
| quote: | | In 1934, there were 2 billion people on the planet. In 1999 there were 6 billion. Now we have 6.5 billion. At this pace by 2050 by many estimates we will have not enough food to feed the people on the planet. The technology and soul degredation will simply not be able to sustain all of us, expecially the overfed overwheight North Americans (us) who produce 50% of world's pollution (US mostly) and use a third or more of world's resources. |
Relly, where the hell did you get these figures from?! I have never really heard anyone state that we don't have enough food for everyone. Please give me a source for this or I will consider it 100% bull scare tactic.
Plus what the hell is the green party of Canada going to do about increasing populations in the third world?!
| quote: | | When will we stop? As soon as we run out of oil and other fossil fuels and freshwater supplies are becoming scarse as it is (by the way, Canada now has A HALF of all world's freshwater), when there will be too much cardon dioxide in the air and not enough trees to convert it to oxygen, people will go to wars to get other people's food, shelter, better way of life. Its already starting - US went to war in Iraq for oil primarily ... we are squandering the planet's resources at a steep rate. There is no argument about it, its a FACT. |
But using your logic conservation would only make our resources last a little longer, and not really change anything? In real life however, new inventions will solve this problem, one of the great benefits of capitalism. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Yes and the greenparty want to double this group by implementing protectionist trade policies.... :rolleyes:
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Trade policies?? Who benefits from world trade - only the rich and higher middle class people. Poor people are the ones who get left behind, used as cheap labour and paid low wages. 100 years ago when there was no 'world trade' and later, people lived in smaller communities and were less reliable on world trade since they had enough resources for themselves. We dont need world trade. It abuses our resources and is a foresight for greedy's corporations evil plans to suck our resources out onto the world market.
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So what exactly is Canada going to do about this? Pre-empetive strikes against countries cutting down their rainforests?
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Well, its not Canada who is directly responsible for dissappearance of rainforests. American government, the most powerful in the world, encourages and ignores destruction of rainforests. In South America, rainforests get cut down so that farmers can breed cattle and sell meat to American fast food industry - in fact, 40% of all American meat is imported from Central American countries.
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Relly, where the hell did you get these figures from?! I have never really heard anyone state that we don't have enough food for everyone. Please give me a source for this or I will consider it 100% bull scare tactic.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation
They say 25,000 people die of starvation every day. My book, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/14...glance&n=283155 , Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight, says, quote:
In the 24 hours since this time yesterday, over 200,000 acres of rainforest have been destroyed in the world. Fully 14 million tons of toxic chemicals have been released into our enviroment. Over 45,000 people have died of starvation, 38,000 of them children (UN puts it at 25,000 people). And more than 130 plant or animal species have been driven to extinction by the action of humans (The last tiume there was such a rapid loss of species was when the dinosaurs vanished.). And all of this since yesterday.
According to the United Nations' Pilot Analysis of Global Ecosystems, half of the world's wetlands have vanished in the past century, half of the planet's forests gone, 80% of grasslands and 40 percent of the planet's land surface suffer from soil degeneration, and 70% of the planet's major marine fisheries are depleted.
To learn more about this RESPECTED UNITED NATIONS GROUP, click:
http://newsroom.wri.org/mediakits_c...fm?MediaKitID=6
www.ifpri.org/pubs/books/page/agroeco_end.pdf
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q...cosystems&meta=
Oh, and by the way, even though people are starving around the world right now, I meant to say that in the future, perhaps in the next 100 years, we will start going through massive famines as a result of soul degregation, overpopulation and damage to the environment. Its common sense, you dont need a graph or number to figure that out youtself.
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Plus what the hell is the green party of Canada going to do about increasing populations in the third world?!
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First of all, they dont have enough power or money to do any changes. They'll probably never win anyway because money runs everything. Its behind the world's problems. Economy is based on "growth", but for how long can we live off the environment? After all, fossil fuels are limited, as I said before.
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But using your logic conservation would only make our resources last a little longer, and not really change anything? In real life however, new inventions will solve this problem, one of the great benefits of capitalism. |
Green Party is for introducing more expensive but environment-preserving electricity production (solar power, hydrogen cells, etc.). However, it will never be implemented, because it will be too late before it is ever given a chance, since our culture looks for the cheapest methods first, which are always most harmful to the environment. We live for today, not for tomorrow.
New inventions??? You know, from what I've read there is technology out there to power an entire city of Chicago for ONE DAY using ONE CUP OF WATER. Thats one example. However, this will put big companies out of business, so they buy out or 'shut-the-door' on new technologies that will compete with them. We are heading backwards. Corporations and big money is in the way of making our world a better place. Just read 'Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About', and you'll be convinced that even the cure for cancer is out there, but health care mega-companies make BILLIONS of dollars every year from cancer-struck people (including drug manufacturing companies, some of which make TRILLIONS of dollars every year). Why would gas and oil industries want you to have technology to fuel your car with ... WATER? Cause then they wont make any money from you!!
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Don't tell me that this is not the solution to our health care problem. :D |
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My government have been trying to do this for years, and we currently have among the highest rate of sick ppl in the world. It sounds good but it really isn't a genius idea. Plus as some others pointed out, social engineering is NOT what Canada needs right now, and it is really a disgusting thing to do to your population. |
So you are saying the its the government's fault for people making WRONG choices for themselves and getting sick? That is really stupid. Green Party does not plan to cut on health care. They want to show people how bad some products are, and by placing more taxes on them they would encourage people to change for the better. Green Party is not going to stop people from doing drugs, smoking, etc.
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| VERTiG0 |
Hahah so wait, the Green Party is full of people who drive Volkswagens, smoke weed, chain themselves to trees, eat nothing but meat, and hate NAFTA?
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Hahah so wait, the Green Party is full of people who drive Volkswagens, smoke weed, chain themselves to trees, eat nothing but meat, and hate NAFTA? |
Hmmmm ... I see you know everything about Green Party already (sarcasm). Me and the circle of my close friends are mostly green party followers. None of us HAVE EVER DONE DRUGS, and half of my friends dont drink alcohol either.
And I dont chain myself to trees, its very stupid way of fighting the problem, and it doesnt prevent trees from getting cut down. I am vegetarian for health reasons. I hate NAFTA, yes, because it is simply not very good for Canada - in fact, it doesnt protect Canada's economic interests, as seen in the 5 billion of lumber tarrifs Americans have collected in the last 3 years (why dont we put tariffs on exports of our water, beef, electricity, other products to USA in retaliation?) |
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| VERTiG0 |
| Heheh, you drive a VW don't you :p |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Heheh, you drive a VW don't you :p |
No, I hate VW cars. To be more precise, I don't have a car - I bike to work, and also use public transit. |
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| Dufouria |
i agree with some of the Green Party policies, I like how they try to help the environment, but I draw the line at people telling me how I should live my life.
Btw if we didn't trade with the World, the world would collapse. The third world countries would get NOTHING. They would be in even more than they are now. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
No, I hate VW cars. To be more precise, I don't have a car - I bike to work, and also use public transit. |
Any party that wants to remove my car from me is a party I'm going to loathe immensely. They don't want to do that, do they? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dufouria
i agree with some of the Green Party policies, I like how they try to help the environment, but I draw the line at people telling me how I should live my life.
Btw if we didn't trade with the World, the world would collapse. The third world countries would get NOTHING. They would be in even more than they are now. |
I see your point. Believe it or not, OUR ECONOMY WOULD COLLAPSE without the Third World countries. We live off their cheap labour, products (China, Malaysia, Brazil, etc.), we need their oil, thats why we buy their products for PENNIES and sell it on our markets for 1000 or so times more. Why do you think the Northern Hemisphere countries (North America, Europe, Northern Asia - Russia) only make up 25% of the world's population, possess over 60% of world's wealth and consume over 70 percent of world's resources? As I said earlier, who benefits from world trade? - mostly the rich, who make profits on stocks, mark-ups - basic principle of capitalism. Working class people get paid lower wages, less secure on the job. Did you know that the gap between the rich and the poor has doubled between 1960 and 1989. As of 2003, the richest 20 percent of the world's population controlled over 87% of the world's wealth, whereas the poorest 20 percent had access to only 1.4 percent. Thats a ratio of 60:1. We approached such an imbalance just before the stock market crash of 1929 (around 40:1), but other than that time, such an imbalance has never been seen in a "democratic" economy that survived, although its common in ones that have flipped from democracy to dictatorship and anarchy, such as numerous African nations, pre-World War II Germany, pre-Revolutionary France, etc.. (SOURCE: Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann)
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Any party that wants to remove my car from me is a party I'm going to loathe immensely. They don't want to do that, do they? |
No, they are not going to stop anyone from doing what they like right now, silly :-) They will maintain the same level of democracy - they will simply focus on conserving and rebuilding the environment, and putting more taxes and fines to products/companies which cause significant damage not only to our environment, but to other people as well. They will also lower taxes on helpful and environment-friendly products. I am not very familiar with their view on taxes, but I am quite certain they are not on the rich people's side.
On the weekend I was on the escarpment, enjoying the nice weather, and there are very nice mansions in the area. ALL OF THEM had Conservative party signs. I did some research and found out why - Tories are for lowering taxes to the rich people. |
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