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Dick Cheney Shoots A Man During A Hunting Trip (pg. 3)
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| girllovingtvibe |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by girllovingtvibe
dumb as fu** |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Well it's about goddamned time. |
Little bit too late imo! Bipartisan investigation anyone?!
Anyway, too bad it wasn't the opposite (ie that the other guy shot Cheney instead) :p |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Little bit too late imo! Bipartisan investigation anyone?!
Anyway, too bad it wasn't the opposite (ie that the other guy shot Cheney instead) :p |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
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| MisterOpus1 |
I think the controversy is not so much of the action of Cheney shooting the guy, but how the White House handled this mess AFTERWARDS. I mean they sat on the ing story for over 24 hours, wondering not about the truth of it all, but how they were going to ing HANDLE THE PR VALUE OF IT!!!!!:
| quote: | But current and former aides said the White House rarely imposes its practices, especially on press matters, on Cheney. The vice president's office often operates autonomously in a manner that many top White House officials are reluctant to challenge.
In this case, Cheney worked with family members and former aide Mary Matalin on how to handle the fallout of the shooting accident, said a person close to the vice president who demanded anonymity to talk about internal discussions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...21300452_2.html |
Now I realize it was a mistake, and I realize the jokes are running wild on Cheney's expense, but is it really in the place of this Administration to make light of the situation of a man being shot, especially when he just suffered a heart attack as a consequence?:
| quote: | President Bush's spokesman quipped Tuesday that the burnt orange school colors of the University of Texas championship football team that was visiting the White House shouldn't be confused for hunter's safety wear.
"The orange that they're wearing is not because they're concerned that the vice president may be there," joked White House press secretary Scott McClellan, following the lead of late-night television comedians. "That's why I'm wearing it."
The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, took a similar jab after slapping an orange sticker on his chest from the Florida Farm Bureau that read, "No Farmers, No Food."
"I'm a little concerned that Dick Cheney is going to walk in," the governor cracked during an appearance in Tampa Monday |
Now if you want to take a look at a simulation of how much lead had struck the guy, take a gander at this video:
http://www.caller2.com/specials/200...demo/index.html
Or take a look at this photo:
And from this article here (subscription required):
http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_ne...4465590,00.html
You can see this interesting quote:
| quote: | | “We can pretty much see that at least over 200 BBs have touched this area right here,” Gongora said, motioning to the face and torso area of the target. |
Now they do expect a full recovery, but I don't think it's really a laughing matter UNTIL we see some marked improvement in this man's condition. Going back to intensive care ain't good.
Now Cheney didn't get a $7 "upland game bird stamp" thingy, to which I believe he turned around a got one.
But regardless, like I said it was the way they handled this little incident after it spread to the press.
Now here's another little interesting tidbit. The hospital administrator Peter Banko had stated that he informed the White House between 9:30 to 10:00 AM this morning that Wittington suffered a heart attack:
http://streaming.americanprogress.o...20.240.mov.html
However, at the daily press briefing today at Noon, did Scott McClellan mention anything about a heart attack? CNN confirmed McClellan was informed prior the the press briefing, but Scotty boy told reporters he had nothing new to report:
| quote: | | I don’t want to make this about anything other than what it is. It is what it is. I was very respectful and responsive to your questions yesterday. I provided you the information I knew based on the facts that were available… I’m just not going to go back through it again. |
Now I really don't want to make too much outa this whole incident, but it does seem to fit this Administration to a ing "T". This incident really is Bush-up 101. It's so good to see them out of the gate, but then they seemingly find a way to come around and bungle the out of things in the end.
And they really need to stop hiding from the public too. Sooner or later the facts come out, and they've got to ing realize that they can't continue to smokescreen every ing thing they do. But then again, this Administration seemingly doesn't know how to place policy above politics at any given moment (or with this incident, the truth above politics to be more accurate).
It's both unsurprising and sad. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Just gave me a giggle reading this from another blog:
| quote: | Things I've Learned Recently
Every conservative on the internet is an avid hunter and they've all been shot multiple times.
Shotguns aren't really guns, just toys. You can't really hurt people with them, only animals.
It's standard hunter etiquette to yell and scream at your fellow hunters as they're stalking their prey.
The most dangerous place to be is behind the people with the guns.
And Dick Cheney was not drunk, so stop saying that.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_02_...993285822205438 |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I think the controversy is not so much of the action of Cheney shooting the guy, but how the White House handled this mess AFTERWARDS. I mean they sat on the ing story for over 24 hours, wondering not about the truth of it all, but how they were going to ing HANDLE THE PR VALUE OF IT!!!!!: |
Smoking a little David Gregory rage? Admittedly, this has got to be the last thing the administration needs. Seriuosly, I can understand having to question every single twitch these guys make, but is it really that big a deal to you, knowing the circumstances and outcome of this really...comical, ironic, tragic--but mostly funny event? I mean he just gave you Dems a solid 24 hour period with which to concoct a sweet, conspiratorial story to run. If they don't, the bloggers surely will.
| quote: | | Now I realize it was a mistake, and I realize the jokes are running wild on Cheney's expense, but is it really in the place of this Administration to make light of the situation of a man being shot, especially when he just suffered a heart attack as a consequence?: |
I agree. But who is making light of it? I just read The Smoking Gun Report. I gotta think the look on Cheney's face when he realized what he did was priceless. He probably crapped his pants on the spot. The hospital/police report of the shot area was seriously shoulder/neck/cheek. I mean, Cheney was going for the kill! 30 yards away in the brush ain't an easy shot! Cheney is probably lucky as hell he was using a 28-guage. The report really makes it read like an honest hunting accident. ing hilariously unfortunate.
Anyway, are you pissed because they waited 24 hours or because they "made light of" the situation, or because you didn't get to hear about it on Saturday night? I'm sure they were at the hospital with the guy all night, filling out forms, answering questions, and or course trying to figure out what the hell to tell Dubie. Would you have preferred Cheney called a news conference on the spot, address the nation prime time saying, "Hi. Dick here. I just shot a guy, but it was an accident" Oh man, that would've been priceless. But seriously--given that Cheney wasn't hurt and it seems to be a real accident, is it that much of a big deal? Does Gregory not have a satisfactory answer?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archiv...061cheney1.html
Seriously--where did you find this? I can't believe someone has already field tested this! That guy could've been firing a bazooka for all you know!:disbelief
| quote: | Or take a look at this photo:
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Yeah, if Cheney had hit the guy where he was aiming! I'd guess about 150 or so of those BBs just missed being a fatality. Cheney seriously had to have his pants on the scene.
| quote: | | Now they do expect a full recovery, but I don't think it's really a laughing matter UNTIL we see some marked improvement in this man's condition. |
Well, yeah. Though if this was an honest accident and the guy is expected to make a full recovery, and it was truly an accident between friends and they've shaken hands and gotten past it, well then, I dunno--I mean, if it were me and my friends, I know some would find humor in it, once given assurance that I would be OK. But seriously--who is joking about it and how? Talk about embarassing.
| quote: | | Now Cheney didn't get a $7 "upland game bird stamp" thingy, to which I believe he turned around a got one. |
Seriously! Man, you can't write this any better! So many misunderstandings! He paid all this money for a license, but didn't get the bonus stamp that let him shoot after quail, which apparently was a new law that recently went into effect, which is why he was able to get off with a warning and paying for it after-the-fact (Well, that and being the VP).
| quote: | | However, at the daily press briefing today at Noon, did Scott McClellan mention anything about a heart attack? |
Was he asked?
| quote: | | Now I really don't want to make too much outa this whole incident, but it does seem to fit this Administration to a ing "T". This incident really is Bush-up 101. It's so good to see them out of the gate, but then they seemingly find a way to come around and bungle the out of things in the end. |
It's really quite funny sometimes. They have it down to a science. This happened on a clear and sunny day!
Leave it to SNL to show it the way you really wanted to see it! ;):disbelief
I have a few theories as to how the whole thing went down, but it's V-day and my dinner awaits. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
omg, Cheney has no soul! lol. |
lol! :stongue: |
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| washout |
| how is the dude in hospital hanging ?? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Smoking a little David Gregory rage? Admittedly, this has got to be the last thing the administration needs. Seriuosly, I can understand having to question every single twitch these guys make, but is it really that big a deal to you, knowing the circumstances and outcome of this really...comical, ironic, tragic--but mostly funny event? I mean he just gave you Dems a solid 24 hour period with which to concoct a sweet, conspiratorial story to run. If they don't, the bloggers surely will. |
Hehe, I haven't seen any conspiracy theories yet, though I haven't had too much time to go thru all the blogs.
I'm sure there's a few fellow tin foil mad hatters out there though. I'll keep ya posted. ;)
Does it make me that mad? Nah. There's plenty of items on my list which I've gone through here a multitude of times. This is on the bottom.
My small gripe on the matter, however, is just how they went about handling it. They really need to get a grip on being a bit more forthright. Jesus, even the old Press Secretary, Ari Fleisher said that it "crosses the threshold of news worthiness that ought to be announced and explained":
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/e...t_id=1001996948
| quote: | | I agree. But who is making light of it? I just read The Smoking Gun Report. I gotta think the look on Cheney's face when he realized what he did was priceless. He probably crapped his pants on the spot. |
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That guy really needs to watch his mechanical ticker. Events like this ain't good for him at all.
| quote: | | Anyway, are you pissed because they waited 24 hours or because they "made light of" the situation, or because you didn't get to hear about it on Saturday night? I'm sure they were at the hospital with the guy all night, filling out forms, answering questions, and or course trying to figure out what the hell to tell Dubie. Would you have preferred Cheney called a news conference on the spot, address the nation prime time saying, "Hi. Dick here. I just shot a guy, but it was an accident" Oh man, that would've been priceless. But seriously--given that Cheney wasn't hurt and it seems to be a real accident, is it that much of a big deal? Does Gregory not have a satisfactory answer? |
Oh c'mon - is it really that unrealistic that the news being reported a bit quicker that the 2nd most powerful man in the world shot someone?
| quote: | | Seriously! Man, you can't write this any better! So many misunderstandings! He paid all this money for a license, but didn't get the bonus stamp that let him shoot after quail, which apparently was a new law that recently went into effect, which is why he was able to get off with a warning and paying for it after-the-fact (Well, that and being the VP). |
Don't misunderstand me - I don't find this a big deal at all. I was just trying to summarize some of the stuff the lefty bloggers are talking about - some consider it a big deal that he "broke" a little law. I don't, and I think it's silly as hell. So it was just a passing thought on my part.
Well obviously they wanted to know if there was anything new to report by Scotty, which is really one of the big reasons for his daily press briefings. But he turned around and said:
| quote: | | I provided you the information I knew based on the facts that were available… I’m just not going to go back through it again. |
Here, ABCNews just came out with this. Take a read when you have a chance:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1619114
That just wasn't a good move on Scotty's part at all. Quite honestly I'm ing sick of Scotty. I realize he takes his marching orders from the top, but Jesus his stonewalling bull on every touchy subject is getting tedious.
One question I have, though. If heaven forbid this guy dies, does that mean there's a possibility of Cheney getting charge with something like manslaughter? I honestly don't know.
| quote: | | I have a few theories as to how the whole thing went down, but it's V-day and my dinner awaits. |
Hmm, I'd be interested. Enjoy your night with the Mrs. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I honestly don't know. |
really?
there's no moral quandry here for you whatsoever? |
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