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You say "No Holocaust" you goto jail.
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Holocaust denier Irving is jailed
David Irving arrives at court in Vienna
David Irving arrived at court carrying a copy of one of his books
British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in prison.
He had pleaded guilty to the charge, based on a speech and interview he gave in Austria in 1989.
"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," he told the court in the Austrian capital.
Irving appeared stunned by the sentence, and told reporters: "I'm very shocked and I'm going to appeal." |
>BBC LINK<
Now I disagree, so does he now... how in the hell does he deserve to goto jail? Even if he still belived that, and still stated that, I'd disagree obviously, but I'd still say it is a right of his to state an opinion.
This is crazy! |
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| Yoepus |
what are you complaining about?! All us PDDers have at one point or another wisedh upon rainbows, stars, and shooting Cheneys that there somehow would be a way to lock up all the stupid people.
Well there you have it, Austria devised a law against stupidity. If you are stupid, you go to jail:toocool: |
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| Goashem |
| heh i was just about to post this in the muhammad pictures thread. pretty disturbing how your opinion can put you in jail. |
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| Fir3start3r |
No, not crazy at all.
We've had the same problem here in Canada...
| quote: | February 9, 2006
Zundel trial resumes
By STEPHEN GRAHAM
German right wing extremist Ernst Zuendel acknowledges people in a court in Mannheim, Germany, on Thursday. (AP Photo/Daniel Maurer)
MANNHEIM, Germany (AP) - A defence lawyer for longtime Canadian resident Ernst Zundel, a German white supremacist accused of repeatedly denying the Holocaust, challenged a judge Thursday to remove himself from the case over perceived bias.
Zundel, 66, who emigrated to Canada in 1958 and lived in Toronto and Montreal until 2001, returned to court Thursday to face charges of incitement, libel and disparaging the dead.
The trial was halted in November when the judge dismissed two members of Zundel's defence team, saying he doubted they would mount a "regular" defence after one described Jews as an "enemy people."
On Thursday, presiding Judge Ulrich Meinerzhagen warned dozens of Zundel supporters in the viewing gallery that they would be ejected if they caused a disturbance.
The session was interrupted repeatedly as the court considered - and rejected - motions for Meinerzhagen to be removed for alleged bias and other complaints.
Meinerzhagen ordered one elderly lady to the front of the court to reprimand her for laughing loudly after he announced a break.
"If you don't think your nerves are up to it, you should take yourself off the case," defence lawyer Juergen Rieger told the judge.
Prosecutor Andreas Grossmann accused the defence of trying to prolong the trial "to use it as a forum for the views of Mr. Zundel" and portray him as a victim. "You can't be a martyr if nobody knows about you," Grossmann said outside the court.
German authorities accuse Zundel of decades-long anti-Semitic activities, including repeated denials of the Holocaust - a crime in his native Germany and some other European countries - in documents and on the Internet.
Zundel faces a maximum five years in jail if convicted.
The International Auschwitz Committee has said survivors of the death camp see the trial as an important part of the campaign against Holocaust deniers.
Zundel and his supporters argue that he is a peaceful campaigner denied his right to free speech.
They have sought to bolster their arguments by referring to the Iranian president's recent description of the Holocaust as a "myth," and have welcomed his call for a conference examining whether it occurred.
They have also seized on how European newspaper editors invoked the right to free speech to defend the publication of provocative caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
"We now have a media festival of the kind we seldom enjoy," Zundel's wife, Ingrid Rimland, wrote in a January entry on Zundel's website.
A prominent white supremacist and Holocaust doubter since the late 1970s, Zundel ran Samisdat Publishers, a Canadian printer and distributor of far-right materials. A book called Did Six Million Really Die? is offered for sale on the Zundelsite website.
In his indictment in Mannheim, prosecutors cite Zundel texts dating from 1999 to 2003 which they say show his "pseudo-scientific" attempts to clear the Nazis of guilt over the Holocaust.
Zundel "denied the fate of destruction for the Jews planned by National Socialist powerholders and justified this by saying that the mass destruction in Auschwitz and Treblinka, among others, were an invention of the Jews and served the repression and blackmail of the German people," it says.
Canadian officials rejected Zundel's attempts to obtain citizenship in 1966 and 1994.
He then moved to Tennessee, where he married Rimland. He was deported to Canada in 2003 for alleged immigration violations and then to Germany in 2005 as a danger to national and international security.
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
No, not crazy at all.
We've had the same problem here in Canada...
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Thats a totally different thing. This guy is a historian. He wasn't attempting to incite. Only express an opinon. I seriously can't belive anyone would back this up.
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"I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now," Irving told the court.
"The Nazis did murder millions of Jews."
On Monday, before the trial began, he told reporters: "I'm not a Holocaust denier. Obviously, I've changed my views.
"History is a constantly growing tree - the more you know, the more documents become available, the more you learn, and I have learned a lot since 1989."
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Same article. |
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| occrider |
| Sounds like you guys need an ACLU. And I don't think I need to state my position on the matter (considering my position on all the "incitement" laws):p. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Thats a totally different thing. This guy is a historian. He wasn't attempting to incite. Only express an opinon. I seriously can't belive anyone would back this up.
Same article. |
My bad...didn't read that very well (/obvious) :p
I guess they didn't believe him? :conf: |
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| Dervish |
Yeah maybe, but I think the problem is that technically speaking he may fall under the remit of the law as being guilty (just by statig what he stated). And to the letter of the law he may be due a 3 year term.
Kinda like he is guilty technically, and yet it seems stupid that he is. Probebly the law just doesn't account for this. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
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Karen Pollock, chief executive of the UK's Holocaust Educational Trust welcomed the verdict. \"Holocaust denial is anti-Semitism dressed up as intellectual debate. It should be regarded as such and treated as such,\" Ms Pollock told the BBC News website. |
exactly. if these laws are what is required to ensure history doesnt repeat itself, then so be it.
of course, if he really has changed his tune then i dont see why he's going to pound-me-in-the-arse-prison?? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
... pound-me-in-the-arse-prison?? |
another FARK reader I see... :p |
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| skot_e |
This guy looks atleast 60, which would make him in his 40's when he made those comments. What sort of historian can he be if he did not have the knowledge of the holocaust? It seems he is saying because he had not seen the proof himself, then it didn't happen. Only on seeing those documents that he changed his mind.
i can understand a scientist wanting the proof of an experiment, but a historian is a different thing. It would be like denying shakespere existed, until you read some of his work. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
another FARK reader I see... :p |
uh-uh. Office Space |
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