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| DJ Eco |
did anyone pick up the BPM Magazine for this month? i never read it but i figured id check it out since it was listed on the cover as the "NYC gets pillaged" issue with everything NYC... dont waste your time... i was expecting a review on some of our hotspots, fashion, restaurants, and culture, considering this is NYC and this is BPM magazine... and no, im not expecting Spirit or Avalon obviously, but at least Sullivan Room or Sol or Pacha, whatever... their first Friday night, the writers go to this place called Luke and Leroy's and speak about it like some god venue... the Saturday night they go to some place called MisShapes and talk about it as some god venue and call Junior Sanchez one of New York's most in-demand DJs and producers :p hahahaha...
"Known for his house tracks like "b with u" and collabs with the likes of Morillo and Van Helden, he could have easily continued pumping out music for his loyal fan base and slowly fallen into DJ obscurity. However, Sanchez tweaked his sound and now spins at clubs like MisShapes with what he calls his "rock-house" sound, playing everyone from Siouxie and the Banshees to ELO.... 'I was told to leave the booth at Pacha in 2002... they were like 'what are you playing?'... Years later, Sanchez has the last laugh. What got him thrown off the decks four years ago now makes him an in-demand producer"
...im sorry but being a resident at some dive bar named MisShapes isnt exactly having the last laugh over Pacha in Ibiza... this magazine's got it all wrong... continuing from Saturday, they go on to name all the week-long of venues they go to: Essex House (never heard of it), 6s and 8s (what?), Karaoke Killed The Cat (where?), Sea (hmm... no?), Nublu (what?)... finally on Thursday they hit up a spot that New York electronic music lovers would actually go to: Cielo... but then comes the long list of other no electronica junkie would go see: RiFiFi, Don Hills, Scenic... lo and behold, on Saturday they stop at Love (and refer to it as an afterhours)....
"We went to a spot called Love, an afterhours that looks like the inside of a cave... if that cave were inhabitaed by shady dudes who gel their chest hair and wear lotsa gold"
...thats the only review they give about the place and they leave at 5AM (some afterhours... in rookies)...
...now, heres my problem with this... its BPM, probably the only magazine that could help foster an electronic music and nightlif scene and this country, but it seems like its being overrun by some Williamsburg-types, former emo kids turned electroclash that find fun going to some 75 capacity divebar with some iPod DJ, who refer to patrons of any club THEY dont go to as "bridge and tunnel crowds"... sure im generalizing, but how are you gunna mention Junior Sanchez as some god (and it seems the originator of his "rock-house) when half the city has been playin it for like a decade... its called electroclash or punk funk guys, its been around a while, its nothing new... i spent 5$ on a magazine, and no, this isnt a whole "hey, maybe you should be more open-minded and check these spots out, Eco" issue, its a matter of claiming to be an electronica and nightlife magazine but catering to the average vegetarian Williamsburg type who likes Rilo Kiley and thinks theyre better than everyone else... how are you going to do a full feature on New York nightlife (a week long bonanza of nightlife) without mention our heroes like Sander K, Howells, Lawler, or even Larry Tee (they went up the "rock-house" road, why dont they mention him?)... how are you gunna call Love an afterhours... how bout they send someone who is REALLY into the electronic music scene, and lets see some Evolve @ Crobar afterhours reviews or highlight some local DJs or something... just thought my review would make for an interesting read for you guys who have the time to read this, id like to see some of your reactions :) |
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| DJ Eco |
| the reason this magazine pisses me off is also because of so many of these types of kids at my school... some1 had the balls to tell me Crobar is a bridge and tunnel crowd... say what you want but id maybe agree with you if you were from New York... shes from Missouri (all her friends are from that area) and shes one of those bottle-whore types that go to Quo and Marquee... aside from that, take my brother and his friends (all non-New Yorkers minus my brother that live in Williamsburg), all former emo heads who listen to pretty decent rock nowadays... but are still those holier than holy types that get drunk and watch "The Neverending Story" on DVD, and then hate on my spots because "you guys dont know what real nightlife is about... clubs were cool 20 years ago"... this article just highlights all the places that crowd go to, and its pretty ridiculous... let Fader or Urb or another one of those magazines take care of those venues, not BPM |
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| trunks1022 |
| write to the editors and demand that the writers get fired |
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| DJ Eco |
| haha idk about that, but i just find it ridiculous, i dont expect to get anything accomplished, just was wondering you guys' thoughts... it seems like the whole magazine editor crew is the same... they had other segments about New York, one was someone praising some East Village Radio station that place 80s, new wave, punk, and electro (who doesnt anymore?) and got that a full page write-up... and another article is about sex spots in the city (they mention 42nd street's private DVD viewing booths like theyre something special, and some S&M place too)... idk, i was just dissapointed... sounds like some Kansas kids coming to New York for the first time, Junior Sanchez happened to be the first DJ they saw, and all these no-name venues happened to be the ones that paid them to go there... pretty weak |
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| DJ A.K |
Amen to that, Eco. The people who say like that annoy the hell out of me --- we don't need them working on an important magazine that is supposed to 'educate' the populace of a country that is still stuck with live bassists and drummers. Honestly, EDM is the most popular music in the world (yes, I include Eurodance and all that stuff, it's hard to beat O-Zone, Prydz, and Scooter in terms of popularity) and we need something much better that what you refer to as the 'vegetarian Williamsburg' types. I even had a conversation the other day with a girl who referred to Crobar as being, "oh, so 14 years old". She then went on to say that Quo and Marquee are the places to be... Rather than scream at her that Quo is for high school girls and Marquee is a place where people go to pretend to be VIPs, I simply walked away. God, these people make me mad.
So, hopefully this will turn into a thread where we rant against this magasine and this type of person --- both are annoying as all hell. |
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| SebringVandit |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
write to the editors and demand that the writers get fired |
I have another idea - somebody find Darren Ressler or another one of the old key staffers and bring back Mixer / Mixmag. They did a really good job of the scene and had their ear on all the hot spots when they were around. |
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| Miss Bliss |
If you hated it so much, seriously, why don't you take 20 minutes and write a letter? Hell, I'd sign it. I'd even help write it if I could get my own section about Love cause that part made me mad... first of all I'd go to Love over Crobar any day. Who cares if nothing gets done in the end, at least you might make some editor think...
Anyway the point is, Eco, that this magazine is extremely mainstream and needs lots of buyers and there just isn't enough of a market like us that they will target their review to real hardcore EDM fans... that will alienate most of their readers. There is, however, a market for 6s and 8s and for Sanchez, who a lot of mainstream music listeners and not necessarily EDM lovers could get into. |
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| kid nyce |
you have a point but instead of getting all twisted on the issue, it could be a blessing in disguise. I mean all the "real nightlife" places we hit are already crowded, hopefully BPM is doing us a favor by telling these mass crowds to go to OTHER VENUES which would free up room for us right?
Granted they do feature an article on some of our hotspots, it'll only draw more newbie attention to our spots. I understand how this motivates you to take some action, but maybe this is something we don't want to act on. Maybe it's something better left alone because it'll only draw attention to already crowded venues.
Also, I think BPM in general caters to a wide variety of "nightlife" activities. I mean to US (trance community) all the big spots Cielo, Crobar, Pacha, Love etc are the spots WE HIT, maybe BPM is catering to Luke n Leroy's regular crowd? or maybe 6s and 8s regular crowd in this version of NYC nightlife.
Trance and EDM isn't the only form of nightlife to exist, there are other acceptible ones that a "music publication" can cater to. So don't get your panties in a bunch so quickly man, yes you are right for demanding visibility, but at the same time, you've closed your mind off to someone's opinion...let it be and don't get all pissed cuz I'm sure Sanchez's crowd would feel the same way if they read articles on NYC Nightlife outlining how Crobar is the spot and PVD this or that and not Sanchez's regular thing. |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
but are still those holier than holy types that get drunk and watch "The Neverending Story" on DVD, and then hate on my spots because "you guys dont know what real nightlife is about... clubs were cool 20 years ago"... this article just highlights all the places that crowd go to, and its pretty ridiculous... let Fader or Urb or another one of those magazines take care of those venues, not BPM |
nowadays urb has always had good things to say about crobar, cielo, apt, etc. (back in the day they would biggup shelter, twilo, mother, etc].
most of those spaces mentioned are for the hipster set and their silly (and sometimes offensive) theme parties. these are the sort of joints where it's become fashionable as of late for random celebrities and musicians to live out their dj fantasies...
there's little overlap in crowds or music between those parties and the clubs most of us frequent [i'll be @ nublu next month]... |
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| MykonosBoy22 |
Yup... Rockstars are not DJ's. But DJ's are Rockstars ..true statement made by the village voice.
and Luke and Leroy's is where Madonna "spun" for the crowd while stuart price did all the actual mixing. |
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| BigMike |
| Call me a noob but what is a bride and tunnel crowd? low lives?:conf: bums:conf: |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
you have a point but instead of getting all twisted on the issue, it could be a blessing in disguise. I mean all the "real nightlife" places we hit are already crowded, hopefully BPM is doing us a favor by telling these mass crowds to go to OTHER VENUES which would free up room for us right?
Granted they do feature an article on some of our hotspots, it'll only draw more newbie attention to our spots. I understand how this motivates you to take some action, but maybe this is something we don't want to act on. Maybe it's something better left alone because it'll only draw attention to already crowded venues.
Also, I think BPM in general caters to a wide variety of "nightlife" activities. I mean to US (trance community) all the big spots Cielo, Crobar, Pacha, Love etc are the spots WE HIT, maybe BPM is catering to Luke n Leroy's regular crowd? or maybe 6s and 8s regular crowd in this version of NYC nightlife.
Trance and EDM isn't the only form of nightlife to exist, there are other acceptible ones that a "music publication" can cater to. So don't get your panties in a bunch so quickly man, yes you are right for demanding visibility, but at the same time, you've closed your mind off to someone's opinion...let it be and don't get all pissed cuz I'm sure Sanchez's crowd would feel the same way if they read articles on NYC Nightlife outlining how Crobar is the spot and PVD this or that and not Sanchez's regular thing. |
pretty interesting take you got on it there... but im not the one being close-minded... i didnt expect a Crobar or Spirit review, but somewhere like Sol or Sullivan Room that not the whole country has a chain of? i did my research and sorry to say but THEYRE the close-minded ones... theres nothing but hipster rock/newwave/electro parties at these places (minus Cielo where they saw Tiefschwarz), every single one of them...
...when i think of mainstream, i think of KTU and The Riddler, not some has-been Junior Sanchez (maybe u were confusing with Roger Sanchez or Junior Vasquez?) who really doesnt have that much of a name anymore sorry to say... what reader out in Detroit or Miami or Dallas or Los Angeles thinks Junior Sanchez is still a big name? theyre drooling over the acts that were drooling about, be it Sander K, Ferry (hes doing a Tennessee and an Ohio date!), Howells, all those guys.... writing about them would be more mainstream... after all, these hipsters are gods gift to underground music culture (harharhar)... |
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