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Iraq Weapons -- Made in Iran?
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| sensorium |
| quote: | Intelligence Officials Say Weapons Responsible for Increasing U.S. Deaths in Iraq
By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and JILL RACKMILL
March 6, 2006 — U.S. military and intelligence officials tell ABC News that they have caught shipments of deadly new bombs at the Iran-Iraq border.
They are a very nasty piece of business, capable of penetrating U.S. troops' strongest armor.
What the United States says links them to Iran are tell-tale manufacturing signatures — certain types of machine-shop welds and material indicating they are built by the same bomb factory.
"The signature is the same because they are exactly the same in production," says explosives expert Kevin Barry. "So it's the same make and model."
U.S. officials say roadside bomb attacks against American forces in Iraq have become much more deadly as more and more of the Iran-designed and Iran-produced bombs have been smuggled in from the country since last October.
"I think the evidence is strong that the Iranian government is making these IEDs, and the Iranian government is sending them across the border and they are killing U.S. troops once they get there," says Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism chief and an ABC News consultant. "I think it's very hard to escape the conclusion that, in all probability, the Iranian government is knowingly killing U.S. troops."
'Very Lethal'
U.S. intelligence officials say Iran is using the bombs as a way to drive up U.S. casualties in Iraq but without provoking a direct confrontation.
John Negroponte, director of national intelligence, testified before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on Februrary 2, saying, "Tehran's intention to inflict pain on the United States and Iraq has been constrained by its caution to avoid giving Washington an excuse to attack it."
The U.S. Army has embarked on a crash effort to find ways to stop the bombs, according to an unclassified report issued last month. The devices are easily hidden and detonated by motion detectors — like those used in garden security lights — that cannot be jammed.
When exploded, the copper disc becomes a molten liquid bullet that can penetrate the thickest armor the United States has.
"They penetrate the armor of an M1 Abrams tank," Clarke says. "They're shape charges. They go through anything, and they are very lethal."
There is currently no real defense against the weapons, he says.
"The Pentagon has a major crash study underway to figure out how to stop them," Clarke says, "but they haven't figured it out yet."
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I'm sure more even more convincing information will come up in the weeks to come. You will be calling to beg the greatest president of all time, Mr. Bush, to start the invasion of Iran after new information comes up.
I can't wait to see how this turns out. Sure there is a civil war going on in Iraq, but that's not permanent. And about the bankruptcy, well, who cares about that? |
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| sensorium |
| quote: | Monday, March 06, 2006
ABC And The IED's From Iran That Were Made In The UK
Today, ABC News' Chief Investigative Correspondent, Brian Ross, presented an "exclusive" report telling us that:
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U.S. military and intelligence officials tell ABC News that they have caught shipments of deadly new bombs at the Iran-Iraq border.
They are a very nasty piece of business, capable of penetrating U.S. troops' strongest armor.
What the United States says links them to Iran are tell-tale manufacturing signatures — certain types of machine-shop welds and material indicating they are built by the same bomb factory.
"The signature is the same because they are exactly the same in production," says explosives expert Kevin Barry. "So it's the same make and model."
...The U.S. Army has embarked on a crash effort to find ways to stop the bombs, according to an unclassified report issued last month. The devices are easily hidden and detonated by motion detectors — like those used in garden security lights — that cannot be jammed.
When exploded, the copper disc becomes a molten liquid bullet that can penetrate the thickest armor the United States has. |
Not once in the entire piece are we presented with any evidence that the bombs are being made with Iranian government materials or even knowledge, yet the very fact that these advanced IED's have come over the border from Iran, where there is an extremely active Al Qaida movement fighting the current Iranian regime, is enough for ABC's pet "expert" to tell us that:
| quote: | | "I think the evidence is strong that the Iranian government is making these IEDs, and the Iranian government is sending them across the border and they are killing U.S. troops once they get there,"..."I think it's very hard to escape the conclusion that, in all probability, the Iranian government is knowingly killing U.S. troops." |
Now I admit there is a possibility that the Iranian government is indeed involved and the details of the evidence haven't been released - but if so, then the "chief investigative reporter" is surely remiss in not asking for it or noting it's absence.
Another way Brian Ross is failing to be in any manner "investigative" is in failing to find out or inform the public that this isn't any kind of exclusive - it is actually old news from way back in October last year.
Back then, the British media were full of the accusations that improved IED's using motion detectors as triggers were being sent to Iraq from Iran. They were being sent, according to British claims, to the Sadr militia - an organisation that the US has gone out of it's way to placate - but that too isn't mentioned by Ross. Just as now, absolutely no evidence was brought forward to show that the Iranian government were at all involved... and then the kerfuffle suddenly stopped. Why?
Well as I wrote at the time, it was discovered that the new, deadly IED's were using a British design that had been stupidly given to the IRA by British intelligence and then passed around various terror groups the IRA were allied with. Major egg on faces - story dropped. As the Independent on Sunday reported:
| quote: | Eight British soldiers killed during ambushes in Iraq were the victims of a highly sophisticated bomb first used by the IRA, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.
The soldiers, who were targeted by insurgents as they travelled through the country, died after being attacked with bombs triggered by infra-red beams. The bombs were developed by the IRA using technology passed on by the security services in a botched "sting" operation more than a decade ago.
This contradicts the British government's claims that Iran's Revolutionary Guard is helping Shia insurgents to make the devices.
The Independent on Sunday can also reveal that the bombs and the firing devices used to kill the soldiers, as well as two private security guards, were initially created by the UK security services as part of a counter-terrorism strategy at the height of the troubles in the early 1990s. |
It wouldn't have taken much investigating to find this out, but ABC's chief investigative reporter seems not to have done any investigating at all for his exclusive report.
Here's what seems to have really happened: having tried this half-assed story in the UK and had it fall flat, the Pentagon waited a few months then gave it to Ross as a briefing from the usual "anonymous sources" and Ross duly regurgitated it whole without doing a single fact-check or further research.
"Chief Mouthpiece" would be a better description of his actual work.
posted by Cernig at 6:34 PM
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/...-were-made.html |
Nevermind, apparently I got excited too soon. Damn those bloggers! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| It is soo obvious that they are looking for any excuse to point fingers to Iran and try to start another war. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It is soo obvious that they are looking for any excuse to point fingers to Iran and try to start another war. |
Why would they want to do that? The U.S is spread all over the world, another war is going to hurt our economy. Its not just exuses, but maybe a reality. I doubt that U.S will go to war in Iran without the support of the world, and right now the EU seems to be on US's side of this issue.
So dont act like the U.S is the only country againts Irans nuclear program. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Why would they want to do that? The U.S is spread all over the world, another war is going to hurt our economy. Its not just exuses, but maybe a reality. I doubt that U.S will go to war in Iran without the support of the world, and right now the EU seems to be on US's side of this issue.
So dont act like the U.S is the only country againts Irans nuclear program. |
dude do you not know who you are replying to ? lol |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
dude do you not know who you are replying to ? lol |
lol, yes I know ;). He just sounds so stupid. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
I doubt that U.S will go to war in Iran without the support of the world, and right now the EU seems to be on US's side of this issue.
So dont act like the U.S is the only country againts Irans nuclear program. |
I can tell one thing for sure, EU, Russia and China will never ever agree to invade Iran. They will never agree for full-scale war.
Only option US has is either to go it all alone or a small-scale air strike at nuclear facilities.
And next time use logic instead of insults to prove your point, orelse you will be only left with Lepanto to talk with atleast in this Room. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
I can tell one thing for sure, EU, Russia and China will never ever agree to invade Iran. They will never agree for full-scale war.
Only option US has is either to go it all alone or a small-scale air strike at nuclear facilities.
And next time use logic instead of insults to prove your point, orelse you will be only left with Lepanto to talk with atleast in this Room. |
of course the UN and EU will. Russia is retarded, and China is only using Iran waiting it out untill they build their 20+ nuclear reactors ;) and you have no friends in this room period, unless you can't the classic cases of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ;) |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Why would they want to do that? The U.S is spread all over the world, another war is going to hurt our economy. |
Isn't George Bush a great president! |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It is soo obvious that they are looking for any excuse to point fingers to Iran and try to start another war. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shamen DJ's
Isn't George Bush a great president! |
I dont think he is a great president, I think he is an allright president. I dont worship George Bush, but I do respect him, simple as that. |
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| Shamen DJ's |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
I dont think he is a great president, I think he is an allright president. I dont worship George Bush, but I do respect him, simple as that. |
I respect George Bush about as much as I respect the mayor of Detroit. |
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