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Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan gives tongue-lashing on Al-Jazeera TV
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| Fir3start3r |
Wow...:eek:
I was blown away by this interview, but she is (in my mind) totally has a point.
Watch for yourself...
(it's about 5min long)
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Here's some clips from the transcript:
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Wafa Sultan: "The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."
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Host: "I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan: "Yes, that is what I mean."
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Host: "Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don't mind..."
Wafa Sultan: "The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: 'I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger.' When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.
"My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma; another time he calls them the 'People of the Book'; and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians 'those who incur Allah's wrath.' Who told you that they are 'People of the Book?' They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them 'those who incur Allah's wrath,' or 'those who have gone astray,' and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?"
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"I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it."
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: "Are you a heretic?"
Wafa Sultan: "You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural..."
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: "If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran..."
Wafa Sultan: "These are personal matters that do not concern you."
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"Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs."
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"The Jews have come from the tragedy [of the Holocaust], and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. Fifteen million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them."
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
id agree with the clashing of different eras position. in time id suggest cultural imperialism will win the middle east over. eventually people will realise that living in crumbling desert huts isnt quite as nice as the shiny sky scrapers the rest of the world will one day enjoy. sooner or later the self-interest mantra will supercede religious dogma.
either that or a resource will eventually replace oil, and the middle east will cease to be of any importance to the rest of the world, and be stuck in a social evolutionary vacuum, not dissimilar from shogunate japan.
people love to throw around the term \"imperialism\" like its a necessarily evil thing. but imo cultural imperialism is about individual citizens\' choices, and if those choices are made in large enough numbers, society\'s change and evolve. nothing wrong with that.
just gotta convince some people that freedom of choice, liberal democratic social, scientific & (especially) economic prosperity is a step further up on the evolutionary ladder than adhering blindly to centuries-old religious texts. |
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| Lepanto |
| awesome to see brains amongst idiots. |
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| Jake Benson |
| An article about her speech was in the New York Times today. According to the times, about a million people have been to the site to see what she's said in that speech! |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
An article about her speech was in the New York Times today. According to the times, about a million people have been to the site to see what she's said in that speech! |
suprising? i think NOT! |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
An article about her speech was in the New York Times today. According to the times, about a million people have been to the site to see what she's said in that speech! |
If that is true, than she should be provided with security and body gaurds by now. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
If that is true, than she should be provided with security and body gaurds by now. |
Probably is. The article mentioned she has a lot of threats on her message system. :( Either way, that's lame if she has to worry about getting killed for dissenting from a popular opinion. Hell, I openly voice that I think gay people are ing idiots and have no purpose in life, but they never try to kill me. (p.s. I'm a fag, so don't ban me moderators) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Yeah, Arabs/Muslims are primitive sub-human beasts. :rolleyes: |
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| Shamen DJ's |
Is there anyone that is very knowledgable about Islam here on this forum?
I am seriously wondering if Mohammed ever actually did preach violence, or if it is sick power bent nationalistic leaders who perverted Islam into the sick form it is today, and if those same leaders deliberately fan hatred of the west in the attempt to gain populist support in their own countries and gain total political power. Seriously, there are some pretty sick twisted Christians such as Pat Robertson who advocated a jihad on the president of Venezuela. Luckily in most ways Christianity has evolved alot since a dark moment in the U.S. when anyone considered a "witch" was burnt to death whether they really were or not, which certainly wouldn't be condoned by Jesus. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yeah, Arabs/Muslims are primitive sub-human beasts. :rolleyes: |
Mostly, but so are the gays. :wtf: |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Wow...:eek:
I was blown away by this interview, but she is (in my mind) totally has a point.
Watch for yourself...
(it's about 5min long)
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Here's some clips from the transcript: |
+10
Wow. I bet they cut her tongue off after the interview!;)
That woman was cut from the same cloth as Rand. |
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| Lepanto |
Reviewer: Haroon Rasheed "Haru" (Kashmir, India)
This is the book that changed my life. I am extremely grateful to the author for writing this book and saving my soul from eternal damnation. God is not hatred, He is love. He is not a Jihadi, He is a Savior. He does not tell to kill, but to forgive. His heaven is not a place of all sorts of perversions but a place of peace, truth and love. I give 10 out of 10 for this book and salute the author and the publisher for bringing out this book. It will save the souls and lives of many more muslims from eternal damnation.
Before I go any further, a word or two about perception. Everyone thinks that what he/she believes is true; What others believe is immaterial or incorrect. But the fact remains that out of the 4 major religions - Judaism/Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Athetism/Communism, only one is true. Believing in one, automatically makes the others false. People might not realize this; but it is precisely this mutual exclusion principle that holds. There is another group which states that all worship the same God, even though the paths of worship are different. They compare God to a mountain top and religion to different paths to get there. Is this is so, then why do our holy books contradict one another. Which is true - Killing/Jihad will get us to Heaven(Islam) or Forgiving(Christianity), Reincarnation(Hinduism) or Resurrection(Christianity), Man is God(Hinduism) or God became Man(Christianity), There is a God(Religion) or there is no God(Athetism), Idol worship is the greatest sin on Earth(Christianity) or God wants all Idol Worshippers killed(Islam) or Idol worship is the path to God(Hinduism). This diffence is one thing that Craig Winn brings out in his book.
Reading some of the reviews over here amazes me. Fellow Muslims (and some Ladies married to Muslims) are trying to defend Islam saying that it is fastest growing religion. Does fastest growing mean that it is not bad? Islam is fastest growing because it is concentrated in the underdeveloped tropical regions where the population is multiplying faster than rabbits. Conversion wise, the number of people who become Muslims (mostly ladies married to muslims are forced to convert) are slightly greater than the people who leave the religion. If conversion is an issue, then know this - Every year about 2,000 Kashmiri Muslims become Christian. In Iran, the figure is 15,000 per year. In Indonesia, it is 30,000 per year.
The above reasoning on the part of muslims reminds me of the Quran where the fact that birds can fly, the existence of the sky and heaven etc are used to prove that Allah exists!! This is the height of Foolishness. Craig Winn has nicely highlighted this in his book.
Fellow Muslims like to fool themselves by saying that the God of the Muslims is same as the God of the Jews and the Christians. Is this true? Consider the following (extracted from Craig Winns Book):
1. The essence of the Bible is the 10 commandments. Where are 10 commandments in the Quran? The Apostle of Allah broke every one of the 10 commandments.
2. Is it possible that God who states in the 6th commandment "Thou shall not Kill" will say in the Quran, "Slay the Idol worshippers wherever you find them"? (Because they refuse to worship Allah). No this comes from Satan.
3. Is it possible that the God who promised Isreal through Abraham "I will bless thee who blesses you and curse thee who curses you" will say through Muhammad "Kill any Jew who falls in your Power" and "The Bestial transformation occured when Allah converted the Jews into Apes"?
4. The Bible was written by 46 people over 1200 centuries, yet none of the verses are abrogated(cancelled out), while the Quran which is the work of a Man has lot of verses abrogated out even though it was revealed over a period of only 20 years. Reminds me of the verse from the Bible "God is not a man, that he may be threatened; neither is he as the son of man, that he should be WAVERING"(Judith 8:16). The Quran is not the work of God, but of Man.
5. The Quran has satanic verses in it. How did they land there if the Quran is the work of God and Muhammad is the greatest prophet?
6. The Quran claims that Jihad is the only sure way to reach Allah's paradise. Killing is a sure shot way in Judaism/Christianity to reach Satan's paradise. Does this mean that Allah and Satan are the same? Because YAHWEH claims in the Bible "For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings" (Hosea 6:6)
7. Allah wants to be feared, Yahweh wants to be loved. Allah wants all Muslims who leave their religion like me killed. But Yahweh is all about free will.
8. Allah has created woman as pleasure things for Man, Yahweh has created woman as a equal partner for Man.
Being an ex-muslim and knowing the Quran and the Bible in and out, I can state that what Craig Winn has written is true. He does not mince words. He calls a spade a spade. The world needs more of such people. Like Craig Winn, People like Socrates and Jesus too had to suffer because of such Truthful behaviour.
Reading the Hadiths/Sunnah gives the clearcut picture of Muhammad. He is what Craig Winns calls him in his book... Problem is most fellow muslims have never even seen the Hadiths, forget about reading them. And the Quran is a mystery of its own. Most of the verses in the Quran are open ended, leaving a lot to guesswork, unlike the Bible. Out of 6000 odd verses, only 700 can be understood in their entirety. Out of the rest, another 1200 are completely beyond the understanding of man. Only Allah can understand them.(Quran 3:7).
Whats more, Muhammad's great commandment is "If a Muslim leaves his religion, then kill him". Isa Al-Masih's(Jesus) great commandment was "Love one another and pray for those who persecute you". Can there be any comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. One is life, the other death.
The word Muslim means "True Believer" or "Believer of the True Religion". As True Believers, I will advise all Muslims to read this book by Craig Winn with an unbaised mind. (Most of the Muslims who have written the one star reviews have not read Craig Winn's book). I am sure you will leave Islam like I did 1 year back. This books correctly depicts Muhammad as a thief, a raider, a pervert and whatever the Hadiths describes him as. But most importantly you will realize that Muhammad is what I have come to believe - Allah himself.
Christianity and Judaism too have their own share of bad things. But they pale in comparison to the deeds of Islam. Islam in the name of religion have killed more people that all of the other religions put together. Even as late as 1915, Turkey was 30% christian. So what happened to them? They were taken and dumped in huge pits and buried alive. Many others were loaded inside barges and sank in the Mediterrean sea. A total of 1.8 million christians were killed. Reason - They were non-Muslim. Again consider this, Pakistan had 23% Hindus, Christians and Sikhs as late as 1977. 23 years later, the non-Muslims number 3%. What has happened to the rest 20%? Killed, Molested, Forcibly Converted. A few have been lucky to escape to India. In my own state Kashmir(India), the plight of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) is well known. They have been gunned down for not converting to Islam. This is the true essence of Islam which Craig Winn brings out in his book. This is the reason also why there is a mad rush among Kashmiri's for Christianity i.e. From the Sword to Peace. As in 2005, the number of hidden muslim believers in Christ in Kashmir was estimated to be about 30,000 apart from the 30,000 traditional christians. i.e. A 50,000 increment in the last 15 years.
The greatness of a religion is seen in the behaviour of its people. As you sow, you shall reap. It is just a cause and effect relationship. In every Islamic country there is hell. Look at countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and even Kashmir. The Kafirs(Infidels - Non Muslims) have been wiped clean by the Muslims. The life of non-muslims in these countries is worse than the life of Dogs and swines. Islam is not about Heaven, it is about Hell; not about life, it is about death. I once again salute Craig Winn for bringing out this book. Hats off to him. I recommend everyone - muslim or non-muslim who is in seach of the true to purchase this book. It is a must have.
A Ex-Muslim
Haroon Rasheed,
Kashmir, India. |
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