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Holland's new immigration test: Intolerant people not welcome (pg. 3)
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
im mixed on this.
On one hand its good to see that a country is demanding it's immigrants accept the ways of the culture they are applying to be apart of. This is BADLY needed in canada where 2nd and even 3rd generation canadians response to "where are you from" is usually a foreign country, often which they have never even visited.
On the other hand, i dont think its right for the government to control how people think and deny someone based on their personal beliefs about certain political topics. Who exactly sets the standards and what right do they have to speak for all citizens?
This is definately a mixed feeling for me. |
I totally agree...while it's potentially a bit of an overstep for the gov't, at the same time I respect that a country is unapologetically standing up and saying "no it's not ok for you to come here and not accept our values and civil liberties". |
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| yankeeBaby |
haha I love Holland!!
If the US had that, they would show the tape, and any positive reaction to a nude woman or gays kissing would be an automatic failure to gain entry into our country... :(
God I hate the conservative crazies in this country!! :whip: :whip: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
haha I love Holland!!
If the US had that, they would show the tape, and any positive reaction to a nude woman or gays kissing would be an automatic failure to gain entry into our country... :(
God I hate the conservative crazies in this country!! :whip: :whip: |
Sadly though, when canada tries to be liberal minded, all we do is ended up being hypocritical. |
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| ali92 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
I see your point and to a degree, I agree with you.
However, I do see some trends among even 1.5 (kids born outside canada, but went to school here) and 2nd generation immigrants who do not want to integrate with Canadian society, at least not in the level that I'd consider 'good'.
For example, because of some neighbours being strongly dominated by a particular cultural group, even in schools it becomes harder to interact with other cultural groups, esp. in big cities. All your social activities revolve around members of same cultural group. I have observed this among some Koreans (which is my heritage). Imagine what would be like for some... more 'conservative' groups, maybe fundamentalist muslims who insist their girl kids wear a burqa all the time.
I do not disagree that no matter what, some 'Canadian' influence will reach every immigrant who does live in Canada. The question is whether our society can afford 30 yrs or whatever long time it takes for someone to adjust to Canadian society. (more importantly, WANT to be part of Canadian society) |
Whenever the subject of immigration, integration, assimilation, melting-pot, mosaic, etc pops up, I have mixed feelings. I like ethnic culture a lot, especially east Asian culture, and feel that, if done right, immigrants and their children can actually be at a personal advantage in Canadian society. Knowing more than one (or two) language(s) and being exposed to more than one culture in personal life can open a good deal of doors. I would never be for immigrants completely losing their culture for the new nation's culture, but for some compromise or adjustment to be made. All cultures have their bright and dark sides, and the aim should be to embrace the positive/bright sides of both - the home and new - culture. |
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| Jayx1 |
ironic though that there is a test to test people's intolerence which in itself is actually intolerence of other people's beliefs that dont happen to coencide with the producers of the video.
Kind of hypocritical and for that reason i cant support this video.
You should be entitled to think how you feel and the government should not be intolerent of that.
By trying to promote tolerence they have just become as intolerent as the people they are trying to screen.
I dont agree with a lot of things i see or read but i will always defend that person's right to express it. |
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| THE_Chris |
Absolutly brilliant idea. Well done Holland.
At least someones waking up to the idea that Muslims etc are coming into a new country and then trying to change it to their ways.
Well tough . If you dont like Hollands culture, off back to where you came from.
Edit: Forum invasion - thought I was in the COR :nervous: |
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| TO guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
ironic though that there is a test to test people's intolerence which in itself is actually intolerence of other people's beliefs that dont happen to coencide with the producers of the video.
Kind of hypocritical and for that reason i cant support this video.
You should be entitled to think how you feel and the government should not be intolerent of that.
By trying to promote tolerence they have just become as intolerent as the people they are trying to screen.
I dont agree with a lot of things i see or read but i will always defend that person's right to express it. |
I don't think this is actually hypocritical. Tolerance has degrees. To say that just because they don't tolerate intolerance they are hypocritical is to misunderstand what tolerance is. They are not giving people one option/telling people how to live their lives. That would certainly be intolerant! |
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| Jayx1 |
to say that you dont agree with homosexuality for example is in fact a personal belief and somewhat a political one. It should not be a crime to think in that manner or even speak about. What should be the crime is acting upon it in a negative way.
The last thing any country needs is thought policing.
Tolerence is tolerence period. Not just one man's version of it. |
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| drgoodvibe |
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UN Says Bids for Asylum in Industrialized Countries Fall 15%
March 17 (Bloomberg) -- The number of people from Russia, Turkey, India and other nations who sought asylum in 38 industrialized countries decreased 15 percent last year, to 331,600, the lowest since 1987, the United Nations said.
France, which in 2004 supplanted the U.S. as the top destination country for the first time in at least 20 years, retained that distinction even as new asylum applications fell 15 percent to 50,000. The U.S. was second with 48,800 applications.
``Talk in the industrialized countries of a growing asylum problem does not reflect the reality,'' UN High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres said in a statement. ``Industrialized countries should be asking themselves whether by imposing ever tighter restrictions on asylum seekers they are not closing their doors to men, women and children fleeing persecution.''
The UN said the end of conflicts in the Balkans, economic progress in eastern Europe and restrictive policies across Europe produced the fourth consecutive year of declining requests to enter industrialized nations. The figure is now half of what it was in 2001.
Denmark and Germany received the lowest number of applications since 1983, Canada since 1985, Switzerland since 1986 and the U.K. since 1993. Only 10 nations received more than 10,000 applications in 2005, compared with 15 in 2001.
The largest decreases in people seeking to leave their country came in Russia, Turkey, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Algeria and Bangladesh.
The war in Iraq caused the number of Iraqis fleeing to other countries to increase by 27 percent, to 22,348. Other large increases came from Haiti, Syria and Eritrea.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...r=latin_america
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| GQ_IRAQI |
| quote: | Originally posted by THE_Chris
Absolutly brilliant idea. Well done Holland.
At least someones waking up to the idea that Muslims etc are coming into a new country and then trying to change it to their ways.
Well tough . If you dont like Hollands culture, off back to where you came from.
Edit: Forum invasion - thought I was in the COR :nervous: |
wow... i had no idea that even with all the muslims that you can encounter here in canada people could still be so naive and racist. I must say though, you do sound cool talking like that;). When have Muslims been coming into other countries and trying to change it? are we talking about the backlashes that happened in France?... where people who's homelands were raped for all of their wealth (i.e. algerians) took it to the streets to get a little attention? (i do not approve of this in any way shape or form!... but one can hardly put the blame solely on one side)... or are we talking about Denmark where hate literature was labelled free speech? Before we bitch about muslims coming into european/north american countries and trying to change things... i think we hafta take a look at ourselves and where we are... in iraq, in afghanistan, in saudi arabia, algeria, virtually every african nation, and the list goes on.
I think my friend, Chris, its sad enough that you have really missed the point of the video. Its to promote tolerance, and embrace diversity.. not just tolerance of your culture, but to all cultures. One cannot demand respect, but gains it. When we learn to respect others, they will learn to respect us. |
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| MLB |
| that is the stupidist thing i ever heard so far, but either way its their country... |
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| ** TigerLily ** |
i think it's a good idea. at the very least new immigrants will be somewhat educated on what the culture of that country is like. i bet lots of immigrants have ideals and expectations and then are suprised or appauled at how the country really is.
i have nothing against immigrants (my parents are) and i think that's what makes Canada so great. My biggest peeve is when I see flyers at UofT in a language I cannot understand, advertising whoever the f**k knows and when they speak in class in some foreign language when they very well know how to speak English. Some immigrants do segregate themselves and if you want to speak your naive language, live only your native culture then go back to your native homeland. i don't expect people to loose or ignore their culture, (gladly I was brought up appreciating my parents' roots and traditions) but i think immigrants should embrace the culture they have CHOSEN to live in. don't come to a new country and expect it to be the same as where you came from.
you obviously wouldn't go to any muslim country and walk around topless or publicly kiss someone of the same gender. (AND can you imagine what would happen to you if you did?!?!) Yet, we're supposed to let others come into our country, and let them pretend like they are back where they came from.... There has to be tolerance and acceptance - but like it's been said before, only up to a point. It's just impossible to regulate and control... |
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