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| Fir3start3r |
I'll just let them explain...
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At the request of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the US Army Foreign Military Studies Office has created this portal to provide the general public with access to unclassified documents and media captured during Operation Iraqi Freedom. The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. Users who come across documents they feel are inappropriately released may contact the responsible officers at [email protected]. The ODNI press release and public affairs contact information is available at http://www.odni.gov
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http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm |
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| Fir3start3r |
Oh look....almost right off the top...
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In the Name of God the Merciful
Presidency of the Republic
Intelligence Apparatus
To the respectful Mr. M.A.M
Subject: Information
Our source in Afghanistan No 11002 (for information about him see attachment 1) provided us with information that that Afghani Consul Ahmad Dahestani (for information about him see attachment 2) told him the following:
1. That Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan are in contact with Iraq and it that previously a group from Taliban and Osama Bin Laden group visited Iraq.
2. That America has proof that the government of Iraq and Osama Bin Laden group have shown cooperation to hit target within America.
3. That in case it is proven the involvement of Osama Bin Laden group and the Taliban in these destructive operations it is possible that American will conduct strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
4. That the Afghani Consul heard about the subject of Iraq relation with Osama Bin Laden group during his stay in Iran.
5. In light of this we suggest to write to the Commission of the above information.
Please view… Yours… With regards
Signature:……, Initials : A.M.M, 15/9/2001
Foot note: Immediately send to the Chairman of Commission
Signature:………….
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>Source<
Nope.
No Iraqi - Bin Laden connection here at all here folks.
Move along.
/sarcasm |
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| Q5echo |
the blogosphere is tackling this admirably.
lot of blind eyes and deaf ears though. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Oh look....almost right off the top...
>Source<
Nope.
No Iraqi - Bin Laden connection here at all here folks.
Move along.
/sarcasm |
Oh look, why bother providing context or veracity when we can simply pass on insinuations as fact?
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New Documents from Saddam Hussein's Archives Discuss Bin Laden, WMDs
U.S. Government Releases Papers From Saddam's Reign
March 16, 2006 — Following are the ABC News Investigative Unit's summaries of four of the nine Iraqi documents from Saddam Hussein's government, which were released by the U.S. government Wednesday.
The documents discuss Osama bin Laden, weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda and more.
The full documents can be found on the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Office Web site: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm.
Note: Document titles were added by ABC News.
"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"
Document dated Sept. 15, 2001
An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghani informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghani Consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:
That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq.
That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
That the Afghani consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.
At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items. The signature on the document is unclear.
(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)
"Election Campaign Laws in France"
Documents dated July-August 1999
Correspondence regarding election campaigns in France. This includes a document from the Iraqi intelligence service classified as "secret," ordering the translation of important parts of a 1997 report about campaign financing laws in France. It also includes a document from the foreign minister's office indicating the report was attached. The attached translated report included very detailed information about all the regulations regarding financing of election campaigns in France. Translation was done by someone called "Salam Abdul Karim Mohammed."
(Editor's Note: This is an intriguing document which suggests Saddam Hussein's regime had a strong interest in the mechanics and legalities of financial contributions to French politicians. Several former French politicians are implicated in receiving oil vouchers from Iraq under the U.N. Oil for Food program.)
"Hiding Docs from the U.N. Team"
Document dated March 23, 1997
A letter from the Iraqi intelligence service to directors and managers advising them to follow certain procedures in case of a search by the U.N. team, including:
Removing correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons (proposals, research, studies, catalogs, etc.).
Removing prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored.
Doing so through a committee which will decide whether to destroy the documents.
Removing files from computers.
The letter also advises them on how they should answer questions by U.N. team members. It says the intelligence service should be informed within one week about the progress made in discarding the documents.
(Editor's Note: This document is consistent with the Report of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence, which described a pattern of deception and concealment on the part of Saddam Hussein's government towards the U.N. inspectors in the mid to late 90's. Hussein halted all cooperation with those inspectors and expelled them in October 1998.)
"Al Qaeda Presence in Iraq"
Document dated August 2002
A number of correspondences to check rumors that some members of al Qaeda organization have entered Iraq. Three letters say this information cannot be confirmed. The letter on page seven, however, says that information coming from "a trustworthy source" indicates that subjects who are interested in dealing with al Qaeda are in Iraq and have several passports.
The letter seems to be coming from or going to Trebil, a town on the Iraqi-Jordanian border. Follow up on the presence of those subjects is ordered, as well as comparison of their pictures with those of Jordanian subjects living in Iraq. (This may be referring to pictures of Abu Musaab al Zarqawi and another man on pages 4-6) The letter also says tourist areas, including hotels and rented apartments, should be searched.
(Editor's note: This document indicates that the Iraqis were aware of and interested in reports that members of al Qaeda were present in Iraq in 2002. The document does not support allegations that Iraq was colluding with al Qaeda.)
http://abcnews.go.com/International...=1734490&page=2
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To sum things up, the Iraqi government needs to utilize Iraqi informants spying on the Afghan government to find out who they are colluding with and in the same document dump we have indications that the Iraqi government is completely unaware of an Al-Qaeda presence in their country and have ordered additional intelligence gathering operations. Sounds perfectly logical to me. /sarcasm
Perhaps we should all read the legal disclaimer one more time:
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The US Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available. |
Now why on earth would you ever lend credibility to the free republic without performing some due diligence? It's a BLOG much like any other one and not to be trusted on the face of the matter in the slightest. Christ why don't we just make a dedicated dailykos vs. freeper forum? |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Oh look, why bother providing context or veracity when we can simply pass on insinuations as fact?
Perhaps we should all read the legal disclaimer one more time. |
| quote: | | Sources told ABC News that the vice president's team had debated issuing a statement early Sunday morning per the White House's request. But sources said Cheney's team decided it would be more credible to allow ranch owner and witness Katharine Armstrong to make the information public. |
perhaps you should go stick your head back in the sand till this all blows over. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
perhaps you should go stick your head back in the sand till this all blows over...ass |
Oh look ... why don't you quote a single statement from me where I EVER said that it was a big deal? As a matter of fact, I thought I said it was a non-issue. Hey I'll be waiting though. Until then, I guess you're the ass for baselessly trying to slander me if you can man up to it. |
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| occrider |
And here's the ing thread where I codified my stance twice. Did you forget that you ing replied in that thread? Here it is one more time because you clearly forgot:
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When its comedic value is priceless!
I dunno, maybe you can ask Ken Starr that question.
/non-issue ... even if the guy dies.
Edit: Although if Cheney was drunk that might change things.
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Cheney was the one to admit drinking not the op-ed author. And while I personally don't think two beers is anything at all, you know how our country operates. Two beers gets you a DWI ffs. And like I said, from a legal and moral issue it's a non-issue to me. But if the courts think he was intoxicated ... based upon that ridculously silly BAC rate, than that could change things.
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Nice talking to you :rolleyes:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ue&pagenumber=2 |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Oh look ... why don't you quote a single statement from me where I EVER said that it was a big deal? As a matter of fact, I thought I said it was a non-issue. Hey I'll be waiting though. Until then, I guess you're the ass for baselessly trying to slander me if you can man up to it. |
i'll slander weak ass all i want as long as you keep using ABC articles to substatiate your opinion on anything.
tuff . deal |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
And here's the ing thread where I codified my stance twice. Did you forget that you ing replied in that thread? Here it is one more time because you clearly forgot:
Nice talking to you :rolleyes:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ue&pagenumber=2 |
reaching. like you always do on this subject:rolleyes:
stick to what you know. credibility is what keeps you going. right? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
reaching. like you always do on this subject:rolleyes:
stick to what you know. credibility is what keeps you going. right? |
And where am I using ABC to substantiate a definitive opinion on this issue in any convoluted sense of the imagination? Can you substantiate the invalidity of ABC's reporting of this issue such that you can definitively reject all their claims? Did the report NOT originate from an unknown source? Did I EVER provide substantive backing to ABC's unknown source with respect to the Cheney issue that would appear to be hypocrtical with my current stance or is this simply another one of your Red Herrings? And you have the audacity to claim that I'm reaching? You're funny tonight. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Now why on earth would you ever lend credibility to the free republic without performing some due diligence? It's a BLOG much like any other one and not to be trusted on the face of the matter in the slightest. Christ why don't we just make a dedicated dailykos vs. freeper forum? |
Yea, cause if any of it was actual fact, it might just give credence and support for the Iraqi liberation.
Heaven's no!!
Out of 50,000+ box of documents there is going to be SOMETHING.
But hey, if you can traslate it better than them, here yea go:
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/do...2003-001488.pdf
We can cry about due dilegence after the translations, but the very fact that any of these documents are even suggesting anything regarding al Qaeda and Iraq in the same document should raise a red flag immediately shouldn't it?
The goverment had to make a decision and in the sliding numbers poll, they don't have all the time in the world to sift through this obvious pandora's box of documents that could very well save their necks in the long run.
I have no doubt there's going to be a lot of things suggested in these documents that will have to be verified and a lot more under close scrutiny as the ties/relations between al Qaeda/Saddam/WMDs connect up.
It's certainly going to be interesting none the less... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yea, cause if any of it was actual fact, it might just give credence and support for the Iraqi liberation.
Heaven's no!!
Out of 50,000+ box of documents there is going to be SOMETHING.
But hey, if you can traslate it better than them, here yea go:
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/do...2003-001488.pdf
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Yes however the problem is is that there's no evidence to suggest that any of the documents are factual or conclusive in the slightest. Therefore presenting them as such is misleading.
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We can cry about due dilegence after the translations, but the very fact that any of these documents are even suggesting anything regarding al Qaeda and Iraq in the same document should raise a red flag immediately shouldn't it?
The goverment had to make a decision and in the sliding numbers poll, they don't have all the time in the world to sift through this obvious pandora's box of documents that could very well save their necks in the long run.
I have no doubt there's going to be a lot of things suggested in these documents that will have to be verified and a lot more under close scrutiny as the ties/relations between al Qaeda/Saddam/WMDs connect up.
It's certainly going to be interesting none the less... |
One should not cherry pick unsubstantiated documents that support your claims while ignoring unsubstantiated documents from the same stash that are wholly contradictory to your claims. Is Iraq actively cooperating with Al-Qaeda? Why would they need to spy on the Taliban to learn of this relationship? Why would they need to use their spy network to figure out if Al-Qaeda is operating in Iraq if they're cooperating with them? It's all meaningless conjecture and unsubstantiated claims until authenticity and veracity can be confirmed in the slightest. Something that even the military made quite clear from the get-go. |
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