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| bpm141 |
| i remember prepping myself about counting before i got tables.. now that i do i find that i dont really count... you can just tell. do i need to count? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| At first you might have to but at some point it just starts happening automatically. |
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| Fearless One |
| no, you don't need to, in beat matching... but in phrase matching you might do it sometimes, but it's usually counting up to 4 |
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| n3lly |
My question, something along the same lines is, How can people count the amount of bars remaining.
Eg, if you have to release a song 4 bars before the end of the chorus that's playing or whatever it might be.. How can you time it perfectly?
i'm guessing it's one of those practise things again :)
nelly |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by bpm141
i remember prepping myself about counting before i got tables.. now that i do i find that i dont really count... you can just tell. do i need to count? |
It's just about time
At First I used to count from 1 to 32
then I started to cound 1,2,3,4 (8 times)
try to understand the music in 4 beats.
now I don't count, I just know when it's going to happen.
you just get to feel it. |
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| Aquarian |
| There's usually somekind of indication that it's about to change phrase, like a reversed crash, some effect, growl, rolling kicks, etc. That's what I look for, and I don't have to count the beats. |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
My question, something along the same lines is, How can people count the amount of bars remaining.
Eg, if you have to release a song 4 bars before the end of the chorus that's playing or whatever it might be.. How can you time it perfectly?
i'm guessing it's one of those practise things again :)
nelly |
well if you start counting at the beginning or the chorus, or the phrase, then when you have 4 bars (16 beats), you throw it on the 17 beat, and you will get it in time. |
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| PutBoy |
Well, after a while you just know. It's instinct really.
If there is a part of a song, say for about 2 minutes, and there is only a 4-bar loop playing, whitout crashes or other indications, I still know where to start the second track to get them perfectly in line. You just know.
I guess you start counting subconciously after a while or something. You feel the tune. You feel the build-up.
If it is a track I listen to for the first time, I most often know how long the first break is, before it starts. If it's a 16 bar break, or if it's a 32 bar break, or a 24 bar break for that matter. There is a subtle indication as to how long it will be. The same goes for intros, and all the other things that builds up a track. Of, course, I might not always know, but mostly. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pinokio
It's just about time
At First I used to count from 1 to 32
then I started to cound 1,2,3,4 (8 times)
try to understand the music in 4 beats.
now I don't count, I just know when it's going to happen.
you just get to feel it. |
Exactly thats what I do. I used to count, and I would be on time more, but now I feel it and sometimes when I really concentrate I get it right on, but other times I don't. I think it depends on the tune, and how well I know it. I've been trying to mix progressive lately so it's a bit different then trance, trance seemed much easier to count phrases and beats, but with time, i'll get it right with proggy stuff too. Haha I was SO good with mixing trance, and now when I go to record a mix with progressive, I just suck, and it lowers my confidence in my mixing ability, even though I know if I were to make a trance mix, it'd be like 80% right, where right now with prog, it's like 50 or 60% right.. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
My question, something along the same lines is, How can people count the amount of bars remaining.
Eg, if you have to release a song 4 bars before the end of the chorus that's playing or whatever it might be.. How can you time it perfectly?
i'm guessing it's one of those practise things again :)
nelly |
I think I know what you mean. And at that point, I think it all comes down to knowing the song and where exactly specific things are going to happen. ;) |
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| Clovis86 |
| I never count anything, all by feel. I've been listening to this music enough that I pretty much just know...even if I've never heard the track before...once you get used to the structure, things just happen at their right times. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
I never count anything, all by feel. I've been listening to this music enough that I pretty much just know...even if I've never heard the track before...once you get used to the structure, things just happen at their right times. |
You're the man. :) |
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