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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Granted many troops have died....but not nearly as many as most wars. There are sacrifices when one goes to war...be it money or life but when the outcome can be far greater in the end the needs of the majority out-weigh the needs of the few. |
I agree but do you really think G.W Bush went to this war for the sake of the Iraqi people?Why isnt he helping other people in this world like in Africa that are dying everyday?why isnt he bringing Democracy to Saudi Arabia for example?
| quote: | | It works 90% of the time though...and seeing where Iraqis came from it is worth the effort. And 10,20 or 30 years from now the country will be better off when the PEOPLE have a say...a say that they wont be tortured or condemned for. |
Thats the Americans way of thinking,But how do you know for fact that this is what the Iraqis want?
It doesnt seem like they are up for decmocracy to me.If anything they would want to have a islamic regime similar to Iran.So Bush went to Iraq to make another Islamic regime in the middle east?:conf:
| quote: | | They survived this long out of fear not out of love of their country...big difference. Seems like you are saying they should of stayed under Hussein's rule simply because it was what they are used to...never minding the fact they lived in a horrid state. |
Agian Democracy has many meanings.Maybe to them a free country means having Islam as a rule of law,would that be a problem?
| quote: | | I agree they underestimated the war not realizing that terrorists would come in and do their nasty deeds...but overall the war was a success... |
This war was and still is a disaster and the mission was never accomplished and I doubt it ever will be.
| quote: | | they took over the country quite easily...but like is aid the terrorists are the ones who are causing the problems...not the Iraqi citizens revolting. Again a big difference. |
So is this Success to you?How so? first you have the terrorists from around the world coming into Iraq and killing everyone and now you have a civil war going on.
To me this is a real disaster. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
why isnt he bringing Democracy to Saudi Arabia for example? |
they didn't try to invade and steal oil from neighboring countries and gas people for starters.
| quote: | | But how do you know for fact that this is what the Iraqis want? |
15 million Iraqis do. but you know better, right? cause you're so worldly with your intraweb and stuff.
| quote: | | It doesnt seem like they are up for decmocracy to me. |
seriously, they don't care what you've been fed by your choice of media. to be honest, they don't care about mine either.
| quote: | | Agian Democracy has many meanings.Maybe to them a free country means having Islam as a rule of law,would that be a problem? |
"Verily we have honored the children of Adam" (Qur'an 17:70)
We the sons of Mesopotamia, land of the prophets, resting place of the holy imams, the leaders of civilization and the creators of the alphabet, the cradle of arithmetic: on our land, the first law put in place by mankind was written; in our nation, the most noble era of justice in the politics of nations was laid down; on our soil, the followers of the prophet and the saints prayed, the philosophers and the scientists theorized and the writers and poets created.
Recognizing God's right upon us; obeying the call of our nation and our citizens; responding to the call of our religious and national leaders and the insistence of our great religious authorities and our leaders and our reformers, we went by the millions for the first time in our history to the ballot box, men and women, young and old, on January 30, 2005, remembering the pains of the despotic band's sectarian oppression of the majority; inspired by the suffering of Iraq's martyrs — Sunni and Shiite, Arab, Kurd and Turkomen, and the remaining brethren in all communities — inspired by the injustice against the holy cities in the popular uprising and against the marshes and other places; recalling the agonies of the national oppression in the massacres of Halabja, Barzan, Anfal and against the Faili Kurds; inspired by the tragedies of the Turkomen in Bashir and the suffering of the people of the western region, whom the terrorists and their allies sought to take hostage and prevent from participating in the elections and the establishment of a society of peace and brotherhood and cooperation so we can create a new Iraq, Iraq of the future, without sectarianism, racial strife, regionalism, discrimination or isolation.
Terrorism and takfir (declaring someone an infidel) did not divert us from moving forward to build a nation of law. Sectarianism and racism did not stop us from marching together to strengthen our national unity, set ways to peacefully transfer power, adopt a manner to fairly distribute wealth and give equal opportunity to all.
We the people of Iraq, newly arisen from our disasters and looking with confidence to the future through a democratic, federal, republican system, are determined — men and women, old and young — to respect the rule of law, reject the policy of aggression, pay attention to women and their rights, the elderly and their cares, the children and their affairs, spread the culture of diversity and defuse terrorism.
We are the people of Iraq, who in all our forms and groupings undertake to establish our union freely and by choice, to learn yesterday's lessons for tomorrow, and to write down this permanent constitution from the high values and ideals of the heavenly messages and the developments of science and human civilization, and to adhere to this constitution, which shall preserve for Iraq its free union of people, land and sovereignty.
| quote: | | This war was and still is a disaster and the mission was never accomplished and I doubt it ever will be. |
i guess the upside is that you're just one misinformed young person from Canada that has nothing invested in the struggle. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
they didn't try to invade and steal oil from neighboring countries and gas people for starters. |
Isnt that the same country that was resposible for the so called 911 attacks?Saddam was another American up.They used him as much as they could to fight the mullahs in Iran then suddenly he became their enemy just like Bin Laden.Why did it have to take all these years for the American government to take him out of power?
| quote: | | 15 million Iraqis do. but you know better, right? cause you're so worldly with your intraweb and stuff. |
ya right I only get my info from the web,I mean it is not like I was born in that region or anything.Where the hell do you get your propaganda from?Fox news?or the white house briefings? :haha:
| quote: | | seriously, they don't care what you've been fed by your choice of media. to be honest, they don't care about mine either. |
Ya you are right they are very happy and they are thankful for the invasion and what we see and hear from the media are all lies. :rolleyes:
| quote: | "Verily we have honored the children of Adam" (Qur'an 17:70)
We the sons of Mesopotamia, land of the prophets, resting place of the holy imams, the leaders of civilization and the creators of the alphabet, the cradle of arithmetic: on our land, the first law put in place by mankind was written; in our nation, the most noble era of justice in the politics of nations was laid down; on our soil, the followers of the prophet and the saints prayed, the philosophers and the scientists theorized and the writers and poets created.
Recognizing God's right upon us; obeying the call of our nation and our citizens; responding to the call of our religious and national leaders and the insistence of our great religious authorities and our leaders and our reformers, we went by the millions for the first time in our history to the ballot box, men and women, young and old, on January 30, 2005, remembering the pains of the despotic band's sectarian oppression of the majority; inspired by the suffering of Iraq's martyrs — Sunni and Shiite, Arab, Kurd and Turkomen, and the remaining brethren in all communities — inspired by the injustice against the holy cities in the popular uprising and against the marshes and other places; recalling the agonies of the national oppression in the massacres of Halabja, Barzan, Anfal and against the Faili Kurds; inspired by the tragedies of the Turkomen in Bashir and the suffering of the people of the western region, whom the terrorists and their allies sought to take hostage and prevent from participating in the elections and the establishment of a society of peace and brotherhood and cooperation so we can create a new Iraq, Iraq of the future, without sectarianism, racial strife, regionalism, discrimination or isolation.
Terrorism and takfir (declaring someone an infidel) did not divert us from moving forward to build a nation of law. Sectarianism and racism did not stop us from marching together to strengthen our national unity, set ways to peacefully transfer power, adopt a manner to fairly distribute wealth and give equal opportunity to all.
We the people of Iraq, newly arisen from our disasters and looking with confidence to the future through a democratic, federal, republican system, are determined — men and women, old and young — to respect the rule of law, reject the policy of aggression, pay attention to women and their rights, the elderly and their cares, the children and their affairs, spread the culture of diversity and defuse terrorism.
We are the people of Iraq, who in all our forms and groupings undertake to establish our union freely and by choice, to learn yesterday's lessons for tomorrow, and to write down this permanent constitution from the high values and ideals of the heavenly messages and the developments of science and human civilization, and to adhere to this constitution, which shall preserve for Iraq its free union of people, land and sovereignty. |
If thats the case then whats with the civil war?oh right I forgot that civil war is the road to democracy.
| quote: | | i guess the upside is that you're just one misinformed young person from Canada that has nothing invested in the struggle. |
Thank god we are not part of this . At least you have polland helping you out. lol
and my money isnt going down the toilet like yours. :) |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Isnt that the same country that was resposible for the so called 911 attacks?Saddam was another American up.They used him as much as they could to fight the mullahs in Iran then suddenly he became their enemy just like Bin Laden.Why did it have to take all these years for the American government to take him out of power? |
Typical liberal...the minute he is defeated he swaps in a new arguement.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Ya you are right they are very happy and they are thankful for the invasion and what we see and hear from the media are all lies. :rolleyes: |
I bet you a gazillion dollars they are happy there are no more mass graves being filled.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
If thats the case then whats with the civil war?oh right I forgot that civil war is the road to democracy. |
There is no civil war yet...and America had a civil war...didnt turn out to shabby if you ask me.
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| jeronemango |
i thought the war was about the WMD's and the mobile labs which they displayed pictures of... hmmmm i wonder where they all went ?... could they, the Gov of the USA make this all up???
my god.... |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jeronemango
i thought the war was about the WMD's and the mobile labs which they displayed pictures of... hmmmm i wonder where they all went ?... could they, the Gov of the USA make this all up???
my god.... |
Yawn....that was liberal vomit from last year. |
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| tranceNlife |
| quote: | Originally posted by jeronemango
i thought the war was about the WMD's and the mobile labs which they displayed pictures of... hmmmm i wonder where they all went ?... could they, the Gov of the USA make this all up???
my god.... |
I heard some guy in one Comedy show saying they have been moved to Syria now! lol
Poor guy was trying hard selling his book. And even managed to convince some guys in here to buy his fantasy fiction work. lol
Purple. |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by tranceNlife
I heard some guy in one Comedy show saying they have been moved to Syria now! lol
Poor guy was trying hard selling his book. And even managed to convince some guys in here to buy his fantasy fiction work. lol
Purple. |
yeah except the guy who wrote it is an iraqi general. you dumb mother****** you think you can just re-reg. you're a ing idiot. go OD on drugs and stop wasting our air and water. |
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| Kapedan |
ohh I know whats missing in this thread!!
:D :D :D god I love Bush! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
:D :D :D god I love Bush! |
I must admit he is doing one hell of a job in the office.:stongue: |
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| tranceNlife |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lepanto
yeah except the guy who wrote it is an iraqi general. you dumb mother****** you think you can just re-reg. you're a ing idiot. go OD on drugs and stop wasting our air and water. |
You mom loves giving my dog blowjob. Try mentally picturing it for full satisfaction. |
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| Cyrus King |
Bush needs to die of a horrible cancer. After watching V for vendetta, i pictured that Hitlerite chancellor as bush.. and laughed when he was shot in the head.
God... wish that could actually happen to Bush.
btw kids
GO IRAQIS GO!!!!!!!! |
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