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| Four_On_Four-er |
It's a very bad idea to apply chorus/ALOT of detuning to bass.
Bass should sit in the middle... like the first part of the mp3. |
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| Eldritch |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_kane
that sounds nice eldritch. what vst you using for that? |
It's the Subtractor synth in Reason.
| quote: | Originally posted by farris
Eldritch, I actually thought the dry part sounded better.
Seems all the processing took some depth out of it.
- farris |
Yeah, I probably overdid it with the processing, I just threw it together in like 3 minutes.
| quote: | Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er
It's a very bad idea to apply chorus/ALOT of detuning to bass.
Bass should sit in the middle... like the first part of the mp3. |
If you use a stereo imager to reduce the width (or just process it mono) there shouldn't be any problem. |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
You need at least VA for the kind of bass you want. Software just wont cut it.
For the kind of bass that satifies me, real analogue is required, period. |
I kinda disagree. Neither my microQ or Virus provide me with very good bass. On the other hand, Tau, Junglist, VB-1 and Trilogy seem to do the trick.
Definately use some form of saturation though and a subltle flange or phaser can work well. Playing with filter automation too can have a dramatic effect on the readability of bass notes. Works kinda like the accent funtion on 303 style synths. |
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| mysticalninja |
I havent tried any of those, i'll check them out. The best vst bass i've heard so far has come from V-Station, which matches the bass of my T.I. pretty easily.
What do you guys use for Tube saturation? |
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| Magnus |
| thoughtlessjex, amazing and informative post there thank you for that. Something to try that a friend recently showed me was adding some distortion to the bassline. At first if you have never tried this, the idea may sound ridiculous but after experimenting, I found it can take a dead, flat bassline and make it amazing with the right tweaking. I personally use the Qudrafuzz distortion in Cubase. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
I disagree, actually squares sound very hollow, and sines make much better leads, IMO. There's no depth to either one unless you run them through a tube amp, which tends to introduce more partials anyway. Saw wave is best, I'd say, what with having every harmonic play.
The tube amp is a nice suggestion, though. |
Sine is the way to go, don't be fooled by misinformation. |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
I havent tried any of those, i'll check them out. The best vst bass i've heard so far has come from V-Station, which matches the bass of my T.I. pretty easily.
What do you guys use for Tube saturation? |
Ableton's Saturator. Also use Antares Tube quite a bit.
PSP Vintage warmer is good too but I usually use it sparingly right at the end of the mixdown. |
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| substorm |
I do like this.
Step one.
Layer one.
A dry bottom end around 40 - 80hz , play around with eq and Audiorealism Bassline.
Layer Two.
A mid bass with some delay and reverb around 125hz, play around with eq, delay, reverb and some stereoexpansion to get that egde that cuts through the mix, and also bring some warmth, Novation V-station is good here.
Layer Three.
A high bass with more delay and reverb around 4000-8000hz, not much of this, just to get some air and clarity and fills the mix more. Here i use ReFX Beast, got that sharp and wide sound.
Step Two
And its important to listen so that the kick gets the room in the bottom that it needs.To make it a bit more present Cut around cut at 35z AND give it a little boost at the same range 35hz, then you can cut at 150hz to take away some of the rumble, last you can give it a small boost around 2500hz to get it more agressive.
I dont compress the kick, but i depends on how good the kick is, but i usually dont.
Step three.
Here i have created a RETURN/SEND track in my sequencer (Live 5), and i name it BASSCOMP. Put in a compressor, here i use Waves Renaissance Compressor with these settings.
Manuel/Electro/Smooth
Attack: 0.50
Release: 80.3
Treshhold: -8.0
Ratio: 8.09
Gain: 0.0
Step four:
I set the KICK, BOTTOM LAYER + MID LAYER, to SENDS ONLY, in this case the BASSCOMP, i leave the high bass as it is.
So now you can star mixing, and remember that its often the quality of the sound that makes the diffrens, and it makes your work easyer.
And where u put the notes.
Its not pretty, but it works for me :P
Cheers
Christian |
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| Four_On_Four-er |
| quote: | Originally posted by substorm
I do like this.
Step one.
Layer one.
A dry bottom end around 40 - 80hz , play around with eq and Audiorealism Bassline.
Layer Two.
A mid bass with some delay and reverb around 125hz, play around with eq, delay, reverb and some stereoexpansion to get that egde that cuts through the mix, and also bring some warmth, Novation V-station is good here.
Layer Three.
A high bass with more delay and reverb around 4000-8000hz, not much of this, just to get some air and clarity and fills the mix more. Here i use ReFX Beast, got that sharp and wide sound.
Step Two
And its important to listen so that the kick gets the room in the bottom that it needs.To make it a bit more present Cut around cut at 35z AND give it a little boost at the same range 35hz, then you can cut at 150hz to take away some of the rumble, last you can give it a small boost around 2500hz to get it more agressive.
I dont compress the kick, but i depends on how good the kick is, but i usually dont.
Step three.
Here i have created a RETURN/SEND track in my sequencer (Live 5), and i name it BASSCOMP. Put in a compressor, here i use Waves Renaissance Compressor with these settings.
Manuel/Electro/Smooth
Attack: 0.50
Release: 80.3
Treshhold: -8.0
Ratio: 8.09
Gain: 0.0
Step four:
I set the KICK, BOTTOM LAYER + MID LAYER, to SENDS ONLY, in this case the BASSCOMP, i leave the high bass as it is.
So now you can star mixing, and remember that its often the quality of the sound that makes the diffrens, and it makes your work easyer.
And where u put the notes.
Its not pretty, but it works for me :P
Cheers
Christian |
Well skin me alive an call me luggage... Bass layering is an highly forgotten trick amongst us amatuers. So yes, sometimes using 3+ synths can really help give you a warm and phat bass sound. |
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| substorm |
I know it takes more time, but i think the main ingridience for a good sounding track is the "beat" bass,kick,drums, so i worth spending a couple of extra hours on it. Yes you can use one layer, but i come to the fact that you often need to tweak the bass alot to make it phat and worm, but thats only my personal opinion.
Cheers :thepirate |
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| dj_kane |
| nice advice substorm. ill look into that! |
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
| I recently started layering my bass with multiple instances of good old triangle. You would be suprised how warm three instances of triangle 2 can sound! |
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