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America's Debt = "We're Screwed!" (pg. 29)
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
Good, because you are incorrect on this.
-5% on your vocab test Mr. Jerz. |
please son, this coming from the guy who just confused who's with whose. Popular usage doesn't make it correct.
FYI, grammar (the rules of syntax) is not the same as vocabulary (a list of words). In this case, your syntax was improper. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shall
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shall
Sorry Jer, I don't remember taking syntax tests in english class. They were always called vocabulary tests involving a definition. Your definition (the "command" version) is #2 on the archaic definitions. Popular usage is normal usage and the normal definition of the word. In this case, popular = correct ;) |
your first mistake is using an online dictonary for proper usgae. Dictonaries give you definitions and some examples; they aren't manuals for english usage.
your second mistake is thinking popular usage means correct usage. People say ain't, which is never correct. Y'all is another word that is commonly used, but not correct.
You went through english without ever being tested on syntax? I find it difficult to believe a teacher never corrected a verb tense or punctuation, cited a misplaced modifier, or located a comma splice in any of your writings. If that's the case, your town should reimburse your parents for property taxes paid while you were in school.
in any event, let's break down what you said using the dictionary (and using each definition in order):
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1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show:
a. Something that will take place or exist in the future: We shall arrive tomorrow.
b. Something, such as an order, promise, requirement, or obligation: You shall leave now. He shall answer for his misdeeds. The penalty shall not exceed two years in prison.
c. The will to do something or have something take place: I shall go out if I feel like it.
d. Something that is inevitable: That day shall come.
2. Archaic
a. To be able to.
b. To have to; must.
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1a - I will be willing to accept.....
1b - I obligate myself to be willing to accept.....
1c - I will have the will to be willing to accept.....
1d - It is inevitable that I will be willing to accept.....
2a - I will be able to be willing to accept....
2b - I must be willing to accept.....
None of those really capture what you were trying to say. Perhaps formulation 1a is technically fine, but it is not the easiest way to convey the meaning. whether you think it is proper to use shall in this case doesn't mask the fact that the sentence you structured is awkward. You clearly didn't mean to say that in the future you would be inclined to accept an apology when currencies devalue. It is obvious you meant to say that "you will accept an apology" when currencies devalue. you may not appreciate the nuances of english, but small things like that can easily change the meaning of a sentence. |
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| Capitalizt |
k...I'm aware that popular does not mean correct, but in this case the common usage of shall falls into the non-archaic definitions..and I shall continue using shall this way in the future. ;) (P.S., I know "will" is more correct above..but I just wanted to say shall twice in one sentence, lol)
Back on topic.. The national debt increased $40 billion last week..
Go Obama. |
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| atbell |
I think a while back I wondered what conditions migh cause a run on the US $, don't know where the thread is but this article works here anyway.
"Long before the current financial crisis, nearly two years ago, a little-noticed cloud darkened the horizon for the US government. It was ignored. But now that shadow, in the form of a warning from a top credit rating agency that the nation risked losing its triple A rating if it did not start putting its finances in order, is coming back to haunt us.
That warning from Moody’s focused on the exploding healthcare and Social Security costs that threaten to engulf the federal government in debt over coming decades. The facts show we’re in even worse shape now, and there are signs that confidence in America’s ability to control its finances is eroding."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5534bd04-...?nclick_check=1 |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by atbell
I think a while back I wondered what conditions migh cause a run on the US $, don't know where the thread is but this article works here anyway.
"Long before the current financial crisis, nearly two years ago, a little-noticed cloud darkened the horizon for the US government. It was ignored. But now that shadow, in the form of a warning from a top credit rating agency that the nation risked losing its triple A rating if it did not start putting its finances in order, is coming back to haunt us.
That warning from Moody’s focused on the exploding healthcare and Social Security costs that threaten to engulf the federal government in debt over coming decades. The facts show we’re in even worse shape now, and there are signs that confidence in America’s ability to control its finances is eroding."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5534bd04-...?nclick_check=1 |
And then when you recognize how far behind the ball Moody's and the rest of the ratings agencies have been, you really start to realize how much of a hole we're in! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| The thread title just seems more and more apt the deeper the posts go...:tongue3 |
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| Shakka |
| I just went back to page 1 to see how this thread got started. Props to Zookeeper (who ironically claims to have become a casualty of this mess). What the hell ever happened to Yoepus? I totally forgot about that guy. |
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| Capitalizt |
Obama Says U.S. Long-Term Debt Load ‘Unsustainable’ (Update1)
By Roger Runningen and Hans Nichols
May 14 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama, calling current deficit spending “unsustainable,” warned of skyrocketing interest rates for consumers if the U.S. continues to finance government by borrowing from other countries.
“We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”
Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.”
The president pledged to work with Congress to shore up entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare and said he was confident that the House and Senate would pass health-care overhaul bills by August.
“Most of what is driving us into debt is health care, so we have to drive down costs,” he said.
Credit-Card Fees
Obama also prodded Congress to pass restrictions on credit- card issuers, saying consumers need “strong and reliable” protection from unfair practices and hidden fees.
“It’s time for reform that’s built on transparency, accountability, and mutual responsibility, values fundamental to the new foundation we seek to build for our economy,” the president said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...refer=worldwide |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally said by The Messiah
dude, this is ‘Unsustainable’
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soooooooo...after only a few months of "sustaining", we're to believe this debt just magically appeared out of nowhere?
...and if i recall two weeks ago he and his complicit media lapdogs were ridiculing Americans peacefully exercising their 1st Amendment rights protesting exactly what he's protesting today. ing un-ing-believable.
this cowardly piece of . i'm done giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. done |
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| we_R_DNA |
LEGALIZE WEED! NOW!!!
I mean the US armed forces are in Afghanistan and Afghanistan is the #1 producer of poppy plants which are further used for heroine production. . . . So yeah that war on drugs is bull the US is secretly banking huge off Afghanistan's poppy plants. |
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