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Quotes about trance? Who's right in the list?
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| PlasticSoul |
Some quotes I ve found:
"In my opinion a real artist is someone who does not influence himself by others or other tracks. He just performs art the way he thinks it ought to be and that to 100%. These kind of people are "Trend-Setter" but there are few. These days the trance scene is minted by "Trend-User" ? those who copy certain passages out of an other song, changing them a bit and reimplant the passages in their own track. Unfortunately this tactic seems to be successful since the "Trend-User" are not the only one who like the "stolen passage". It's also the trance people out there which are betrayed with false fame and proficiency. So I assume the greatest accomplishment is being regarded as a "Trend-Setter", someone with a unique style and great abilities, someone who's able to influence/attract others the way he performs art."
Andreas Schmidt, the man behind numerous projects like Ace's Delight, Pervading Call, Sonic Inc.
"Today when I listen to DJs like Tiesto...I have the feeling with their music that they don't have the right musicians. They are following a format – always producing the same structures. It's a pop format for trance."..."People are getting a wrong interpretation of what trance music is all about. Actually I think I play trance. I honestly do…because I don't let people go. I nail them on the dance floor – 'you stay!'".
Sven Vath
“Well if capitalism is the new Christianity, Van Dyk must be ‘God’ and Tiesto ‘Jesus’. The recognition that means the most to me is a room full of bouncing booty and happy faces whilst listening to music that is alternative to the scrote that trance DJs ‘play’".
Dave Clarke.
"Trance is a great word but its image has been hurt over the past years due to so called ‘trance’ tracks hitting the charts, then every cheesy song has been called ‘trance’. For me ‘real’ electronic trance is music that is emotional and in that respect I would class my music as ‘trance’, but you can call it what you want."
Andy Moor
“In all honesty, most trance is e. 95% of the promos I receive are just crap, totally unplayable, generic production and derivative melodies you’ve heard a thousand times before. They might be alright for 16 year old kids who have just graduated up from Lasgo, but not for anyone with at least partially developed taste.”
Gareth Emery aka GTR
"When I play a party and I see the people who are into Tiesto and trance come over into my room, like 75 percent of them, and then start freaking out to slower, more heady, strange music which is not as hooky or accessible, but still completely freaking out. I see it in their eyes, and I’m like “hey, something’s going on.”"
Richie Hawtin
So...
I know opinnion is subjective, but do you agree or disagree with the people above? Since they're influential artists in the electronic music scene?
Do a healthy discussion please... :D |
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| Ishkur |
"It's not something I listen to myself, but it's not like I'm really bothered by it because, if anything, it helps introduce the things that I'm doing to people who probably wouldn't notice them otherwise. Trance has that easily digestible format that people from the suburbs or whatever can understand, and I think that maybe after listening to trance and other more commercial forms of music, they might start to appreciate other forms of electronic music like house and techno. It's basically a good thing. Trance is a gateway music (laughs)."
--Cajmere, aka Green Velvet |
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| Ko/Lute |
"I have been saying Trance is formulated for some time. Everything has become a silly female vocal snippet into these large over-produced piano-ladden riffs and dramatized string-pads and human-voices with Build-ups. "Castles In The Sky" VS. "Violet Skies"...Many of you could listen to "Violet Skies" by Phantasia now and dismiss it as a dated rave record. But there was symbolic value on that track because it was hypnotic....Trance defined should mean getting put into a hypnotic spell = a trance. "Castles In The Sky" was not hypnotic whatsoever. The real pretty melody and Euro-pop keyboards is what killed the genre 100%. Nobody cares about these records once the novelty wears off...(6 weeks Max!)....Then "Castles In The Mud" comes out. Then the rip-off's by DJ CASTLESKYY, DJ CASTLE, DJ SKYYCAST, DJ CLOUDY SKY, DJ SKYMUD & MC IN THE SKY take an already bad record and make it worse...LETS FIND EMANUEL TOP and make him do some 1995 "Acid Phase" ..."
DJ Frankie Bones
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| Dj Dovla |
"Trance is a great word but its image has been hurt over the past years due to so called ‘trance’ tracks hitting the charts, then every cheesy song has been called ‘trance’. For me ‘real’ electronic trance is music that is emotional and in that respect I would class my music as ‘trance’, but you can call it what you want."
Andy Moor |
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| Elyksir |
| that dj frankie bones doesn't know what he is talking about :D |
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| JMax |
great quotes! and i consider that of these guys is kinda weird of Andy moor to talk like that..
sad but true... |
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| Felix.Hoo |
Andy Moor hit the nail there...
but imo i thought trance music besides being emotional, should be energetic as well. |
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| DJ_Massive |
So, is it a coincidence that the "techno" guys in the above list of quotes (eg Sven Vath, Richie Hawtin) are so right.. and that the "trance" doods Andy Moor and Emery are.. umm. well you know.
Sven Vath is absolutely right, the music he plays will ofcourse be called 'techno' or 'electro', and he doesn't play 'trance' records, but basically he's right when he says he's playing music that brings people into a "trancy state of mind". I don't really see that happen in sets played by the big trance jocks these days.. or do you?
Dave Clarke does a nice quote too.. scrote..nice word
and Gareth Emery.. well enough said about that quote already I suppose |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Minimal techno producers like Hawtin or Vath can go to hell. Abstract, glitchy ing minimal may have all the chin-stroking credentials these guys would ever want, but it's no more credible than "Tiesto trance". |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Minimal techno producers like Hawtin or Vath can go to hell. Abstract, glitchy ing minimal may have all the chin-stroking credentials these guys would ever want, but it's no more credible than "Tiesto trance". |
Minimal = lazy |
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| Zombie0915 |
Everyone does thematic variation in their compositions, but nobody takes more for doing it than trance musicians. I mean, thematic variation is the first thing you learn when you start making music, you take something you like and you rip it off and twist it around a little bit, every genre does it.
I enjoy originality as much as the next person, but I find half these quotes aren't valid criticismts, but more msucians bashing other music that isnt their own in attempt to campaing for their own sound, and to get people to convert. Like missionaries going to some foreign land and bashing the native beleifs until they switch them out for beleifs that are equally rediculous.
You have to use descrimination when reading these things, think about who is saying them and why. Most of it is just campainging, people fighting over a limited audience. I prefer genuine decriptions of the appeals of different sounds over these smear campaings people use. Sure alot of the points are interesting to consider, but just as many of them are only marketing gimmicks. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Minimal = lazy |
Here's a quote by The KLF from The Manual, written 1988; many years before minimal existed even in its earliest days. I think they did quite a good job of predicting the future:
"So why don't all songs sound the same? Why are some artists great,
write dozens of classics that move you to tears, say it like it's
never been said before, make you laugh, dance, blow your mind, fall in
love, take to the streets and riot? Well, it's because...
their own soul shines through; their personality demands attention.
This doesn't just come via the great vocalist or virtuoso
instrumentalist. The Techno sound of Detroit, the most totally linear
programmed music ever, lacking any human musicianship in its execution
reeks of sweat, sex and desire. The creators of that music just press
a few buttons and out comes - a million years of pain and lust.
We await the day with relish that somebody dares to make a dance
record that consists of nothing more than an electronically programmed
bass drum beat that continues playing the fours monotonously for eight
minutes. Then, when somebody else brings one out using exactly the
same bass drum sound and at the same beats per minute (B.P.M.), we
will all be able to tell which is the best, which inspires the dance
floor to fill the fastest, which has the most sex and the most soul.
There is no doubt, one will be better than the other. What we are
basically saying is, if you have anything in you, anything unique,
what others might term as originality, it will come through whatever
the component parts used."
I don't really object to minimal, but I really do object to minimal assuming a snobby status as the forward-thinking, pioneering sound in electronic music. All they've done is stripped music down to the barest things and then played it. I think they've taken The KLF too literally for their own good (after all, when were they ever completely serious?) |
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