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Does NYTA need a 2nd mod? (pg. 2)
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| Groundhog Boy |
See the problem that I have is that determing what threads to close/move is highly subjective. Brian, you posted that mix thread, because the guy's not an NYTA. But are you going to do the same for all of the NYTAs mix promotion, because technically, they should all go to the same place. What about when Clovis from the West Coast posts mixes? He's not an NYTA, but he posts occasionally in here. Should we get rid of his mixes, too?
This board has died off enough lately and I just see this as being a way to further kill off participation. Whether you liked it or not, the Marak thread was the most hit thread last week and did spark a lot of debate that maybe belonged in Political Discussion, but at least it got people reading and participating. I still have no regrets about making it a big deal. The guy came in here and asked for help finding things to do. As I had read about him before, I wanted to make sure people knew who they'd be helping out and inviting to hang out at their favorite venues. Also, I find it funny that the people complaining most about the thread didn't even read the whole thing and just commented on it based on the number of pages.
Oh, and Konijn's comment in the site suggestion thread linked in the first post was right on the money. This forum already has less problems than the modded forums. I think inviting a mod in might upset that balance for two reasons: 1) Create resentment for the mod and his/her policies and 2) People will be more prone to going over the line (because we have a mod, and if it's offensive, they'll just delete/edit/close and only warn me). I see #2 happening in the COR all the time. |
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| kid nyce |
You are absolutely right, but understand that if you are a member of these boards and have established an identity with our community you are obligated to share your mix, that's different than blantantly spamming a forum of a remix you did of a tune.
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any mod decision is subjective to running a proper "web site", not subjective on personal preference. There is a difference between personal vendettas and what's politically correct for an online community and the main proprietor swamper as this is HIS investment and it is HIS message board. So it wouldn't be subjective on the fact that I felt the thread did not belong to the NY part of the forums. I would feel that his message (woox) has been conveyed on more than one area of this message board and is not correctly placed, or that his sole purpose was to create free publicity at the expense of swampers investment. There is a difference that you are overlooking when one would assume the responsibility of being a mod. It's not on a personal level which you keep bringing it back to, it's about being responsible for Swamper's investment, keeping order and cleaning the boards.
19 pages about bullocks is a certain amount of memory stored on the server which in turn is a certain amount of money being shelled out of Del's pocket. I'm sure you'd feel differently if you saw the actual month to month cost to running a board like this. Then the actual statistics to keep such a random thread open...yea that analysis is a bit deep and probably equates to a few cents in bandwidth and hard drive space and is also expected by the owner, just that it shouldn't get out of hand and spark up a debate that has already been listed before. The debate brought out great points, just that the points of the thread did not need 19 pages worth of deliberation.
My statement "the thread did not need 19 pages worth of deliberation" that is what you are deeming as being a subjective decision, a subjective deicision not based on a personal point of view. A subjective decision based on the the integrity of this message board as well as factoring in reprecussions that may have been incurred there after. Last thing we need to do is have a message board like Hoodtalk.net (go over and read some of the crap they post), thats an extreme case of wasted money on servers. We do a fine job of policing ourselves, but that's not the main responsibility of a mod. I'd hate to be a police officer here but that's what people are making it out to be. It's a different role then what you all think. It's quite immature to think that the only purpose a moderator of a forum is to police it's community. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
19 pages about bullocks is a certain amount of memory stored on the server which in turn is a certain amount of money being shelled out of Del's pocket. I'm sure you'd feel differently if you saw the actual month to month cost to running a board like this. Then the actual statistics to keep such a random thread open...yea that analysis is a bit deep and probably equates to a few cents in bandwidth and hard drive space and is also expected by the owner, just that it shouldn't get out of hand and spark up a debate that has already been listed before. The debate brought out great points, just that the points of the thread did not need 19 pages worth of deliberation. |
Of all the pro-mod arguments you could have made, you're going to talk about web storage space and potential savings based on the closure of ONE uncommon 19 page thread. You hit up the COR, too, so you know the sort of web space wasting that's going on in TA. If there's a fiscal crisis, that'd be my first choice as a forum to go to save money. Swamper goes in there, he sees what a cesspool of retardation it's become, if he had a problem with the benefit vs. cost aspect, he'd close it. BTW, THIS THREAD is wasting web space, too, as we've had this discussion how many times? It's also currently in two separate forums.
And yes, the Marak topic had occurred eleswhere, but you all saw how many people didn't go to the linked thread and gave info, only to realize later who they'd helped out. |
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| trancEyes22 |
| no, things are fine around here. i think we actually have ADULTS posting and not tweens like in the COR.. |
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| PvDOBseSSioN |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
no, things are fine around here. i think we actually have ADULTS posting and not tweens like in the COR.. |
well put, +1 |
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| Groundhog Boy |
I also want to add that Political Discussion doesn't really have an active mod, either. Wicked Neo is the mod, but as far as I've seen, hardly ever comes into the forum. His appearance is usually preceded by the same types of PMs that we send when something needs to be handled.
And that SHOULD be an area of TA that most requires a mod for policing, as the opinions are quite different among members, especially when we're talking about nationalism between members of differing nations and between those with different political party affiliations. The difference is that they're mostly adults who can self-regulate, much like I thought we could do on here. |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
no, things are fine around here. i think we actually have ADULTS posting and not tweens like in the COR.. |
Some times I question that! :rolleyes:
Ryan - it seems that the Marak thread has some how personally offended you and you are arguing the fact that it should have been kept open for further discussion. And yes I do take the pro-mod stance about wasted web space, fact of the matter is it's about the owner of this site. Again, like i said, a mod wouldn't police us and that seems to be the label associated with a mod. Why can't a mod be someone you can reach out to? Someone you can offer suggestions to like a possible NYTA Bowling Day? NYTA Camping Trip? I just hate to be on this whole closing threads thing. It makes it seem so power-central when in reality it isn't. Yes we can do organize ourselves, but it never reaches out to the interest of those too timid to be part of a certain group of TAs. We all have our groups of friends, now I'm not going to be organizing meet-ups and pre-parties and stuff. I'm just kind of sick of how our section is rather mundane with character. We have alot of rough skinned manhattanites here who voice their opinions and such, but we don't have more people who are willing to help others. Alot of bashing going on here...what's up with that?
Trust me Ryan, I hear and understand where you are coming from. I'm not trying to sound politically correct so I can lobby for the position. Infact between Dani and I (and we've spoken about this) it'd be better if Dani ran the section. You just have to understand that this is a message board, you tend to take things alittle too seriously thus creating some sort of tension in a thread. Ease up alittle man, it's not such a big deal the marak thread got closed and yes your opinion got heard, Christina's as well. I mean I wouldn't want some predator beasting on our members potentially making a victim of our community. But that is that! We should all be adults, and if not role model to those who are younger than us. Not bicker and fight over what people say to each other on a message board. |
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| LuNaSeA |
no, brian's better! i wouldn't mind being a mod but i didn't even think to be one, leave me outta this brian :p :toothless
another reason to have a mod:
STICKIES for meetups, certain events (nyta movie night!), etc. mods, imo, can create a huge amount of unity in our commUNITY (hrhr) |
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| musiqzone |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancEyes22
i think we actually have ADULTS posting and not tweens like in the COR.. |
LOL at "tweens" :haha:
erin is right about that |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
Some times I question that! :rolleyes:
Ryan - it seems that the Marak thread has some how personally offended you and you are arguing the fact that it should have been kept open for further discussion. And yes I do take the pro-mod stance about wasted web space, fact of the matter is it's about the owner of this site. Again, like i said, a mod wouldn't police us and that seems to be the label associated with a mod. Why can't a mod be someone you can reach out to? Someone you can offer suggestions to like a possible NYTA Bowling Day? NYTA Camping Trip? I just hate to be on this whole closing threads thing. It makes it seem so power-central when in reality it isn't. Yes we can do organize ourselves, but it never reaches out to the interest of those too timid to be part of a certain group of TAs. We all have our groups of friends, now I'm not going to be organizing meet-ups and pre-parties and stuff. I'm just kind of sick of how our section is rather mundane with character. We have alot of rough skinned manhattanites here who voice their opinions and such, but we don't have more people who are willing to help others. Alot of bashing going on here...what's up with that?
Trust me Ryan, I hear and understand where you are coming from. I'm not trying to sound politically correct so I can lobby for the position. Infact between Dani and I (and we've spoken about this) it'd be better if Dani ran the section. You just have to understand that this is a message board, you tend to take things alittle too seriously thus creating some sort of tension in a thread. Ease up alittle man, it's not such a big deal the marak thread got closed and yes your opinion got heard, Christina's as well. I mean I wouldn't want some predator beasting on our members potentially making a victim of our community. But that is that! We should all be adults, and if not role model to those who are younger than us. Not bicker and fight over what people say to each other on a message board. |
First, my knowledge of TA mods is based on watching how all the other ones operate. I've NEVER seen a mod organize camping trips or bowling nights. While I think that's a fine idea, that's not something that you have to be a mod to do, either. You can get a sticky made up for that sort of thing and operate the sticky. It could be called something like "NYTA Non-clubbing events" or something similar. It'd just have to be similar to the party planner and the thread starter would have to update. That and people would have to look at the threads. Also, do you guys notice how the stickies just get ignored by everyone? There are always parties in there that half the board doesn't seem to know about until a review thread is posted. The bottom line is that policing IS THE major mod responsibility.
As far as the Marak thread goes, I've only mentioned it because it seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back for getting a new mod. It had been discussed before, but now that the thread happened, you can use it promote the argument for a mod. I could really care less if it's closed, as I knew it was going to happen eventually because i'm sure you and others were PMing mods to close it. The difference is that you would have closed it on page 5 before anything transpired and anyone had read it. You may have (i'm not sure) known about it from the COR last month, but a lot of NYTAs avoid that forum because it's full of people who need mods, so it was news to them.
BTW, not to be rude, but while you and Dani are two of the most active older TAs, you do have your own opinions and I'm not sure how unbiased they always are and how well you'll police things if either of you are selected to be a mod. Knowing myself well enough, I don't think I'd be a great mod, either, so don't take that as a personal attack.
The bottom line is that currently, everyone on this forum is on equal footing. When we create a mod, that changes. Right now, it's not like the Lord of the Flies where we need an adult because we're out of control. If it's not broke, don't fix it. I'd be singing a completely different tune if people couldn't control themselves, but for now, I don't think it's a power structure that we need to install.
On that note, I think I've covered everything there is to say from my perspective and I see that most disagree, so I'll just shut up now. |
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| LuNaSeA |
i think we can all agree that being a mod on NYTA wouldn't be synonymous with policing simply bc of the fact that we have such few instances of that sort of modding aka policing being needed :)
that's just my 2 cents. i would love to be a mod if only to bring da peepo closer together :D
aside: do u guys remember the meetups in 2002 and 2003? like for pvd @ sbarro's? holy ... 70 TAs, it was a sea of vandit shirts lol.. :thepirate :stongue: |
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| kid nyce |
any mod will have to exercise their use of judgement
it's the principles of the person to make a judgement which is most beneficial to the owner of this site.
just think owner of a business that is hiring shift managers. |
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