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Does NYTA need a 2nd mod? (pg. 3)
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| Vlad |
| We have been doing just fine without a mod. |
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| kid nyce |
I gave this thread some thought this afternoon and began to think about the positions that people are taking towards establishing a new mod. What I don't understand is, why does everyone think there something drastic is going to happen? It seems like the "no we are fine policing ourselves" is going to change? I think even with an active mod we still will be responsible for policing ourselves, conducting in a proper manner, you know just be adults. That is what we are doing right?
On the other hand I see people who advocate for a mod would at some point or another want some change going on here. So it's a toss up between leave things the way they are versus let's make some changes and evolve alittle. With both positions in mind, I think people feel threatened by having an active mod when in reality they shouldn't be. I'm sure we can execute proper judgement and I'm more than sure Del, Neo, and the rest of the established mods, would not let one get out of hand. Personally I think we need some change here, maybe some of us are against change, but you have to understand that the change will be subtle, will institute some differences, and of course will present it's ugly face with opposition. Fact of the matter is, it's not going to be some crazy change over night. You aren't going to log-on tomorrow morning and find your thread closed or deleted, your sig altered. There are guidelines mods must follow and abide by which help keep them in line.
I like the sticky ideas for those parties worthy of visibility. So you might say I'm being subjective there since I'm the one deciding on who gets what visibility. I'd warrant those who have stuck around long enough, created an identity and made an effort to reach out and got to know the members of these boards, the visibility they deserve. Is that not just? People post their mix all the time, I've never said anyone's personal mix should be deleted or locked. I've never commented on how a person's mix is in the wrong section. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I don't tolerate random users signing up on our website solely for promoting themselves without establishing an identity with us.
So those who are willing to experience some change are the ones who I believe are able to adapt to a different environment and encourage this progression. And those who believe we don't need a mod are those who like the way things are and at the same time a bit hesitant of these changes and how the boards would react to them. People need to understand that nothing crazy is going to happen if an active mod is present. It will be the same as if a mod wasn't active.
What also intrigues me the MOST OUT OF THIS, is if we are so diligent in policing ourselves, how come other sections do not vote for an "inactive mod" by demonstrating "look the NYTA's don't have an active mod, why do we have to have Neo always in our section just cuz he lives here". Yea far fetched, but it's a 2 way street. We've made multiple threads promoting this, I've hung out with Ian (Redeye) on occassion and this was brought up, and it seems like it's a topic that always gets mentioned every few years.....
Reason being, I think some of us who have been here for a while would like to see some change for the better than see the same old thing just with a recycled community of people who come, grow out of the music scene and move on, thus quickly refilled by the young one who is all about the music scene.
[think about that] |
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| Vlad |
| Seriously, by making a new mod - do you honestly think that something is going to change in here? *knock on wood* Were all adults here and just about everything that gets posted in this area doesnt require a mod. All people really post in here are reviews, roll calls, some promotions, mixes, and alittle bit of chatting - and I dont expect that to ever change. We dont need 1 person to represent us, we all - as a group - represent NYTA. |
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| DJ A.K |
I completely agree with Vlad, though perhaps for some different reasons. Here's a copy of what I posted in the main topic that was linked to at the beginning of this thread (and as you can imagine, I voted 'no'):
Aside from that recent fiasco with the Marak5 whoring thread, I don't really think that NYTA needs a moderator. I think anyone who is a member of the community and who isn't coming from outside like Marak5 will understand when an argument will pop up, and how to deal with it. I think part of the problem was that Marak5 made some posts that offended the sensibilities of certain NYTAs, and they took it out on him in a childish, angry way... but that doesn't mean that we need extra oversight on our forum.
The real question, I think, is what would such a moderator do? The reason why I state this is that objectivity is a very difficult thing to achieve, and I'm not even sure if such a thing is in a moderator's job description. So, would he close angry threads that contain flame wars? Would he close any 'Tiesto Sucks' or 'JP Sucks' threads --- those are damn popular on the NYTA board. Would he close threads that seem to be unneccessary? The conclusion that I draw from these questions is that I think that the closure of such threads will cause more harm than good by simply a) redirecting the anger of the arguing parties toward the moderator b) making it seem like the moderator supports the 'tiesto sucks' threads that he leaves open and opposes the ones that he closes c) leave the option that some of the threads that he deemed 'unneccessary', actually turn out to be interesting for all involved.
That's just what I think, and I don't believe that one fierce argument regarding Marak5 should change what I see as a smoothly operating forum. |
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| Shamez214 |
| I have no opinion on the matter. |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
I think even with an active mod we still will be responsible for policing ourselves, conducting in a proper manner, you know just be adults. |
exactly. if self-policing, by your own admission, will continue post-mod, then why create a mod hierarchy at all? it's redundant.
| quote: | | What also intrigues me the MOST OUT OF THIS, is if we are so diligent in policing ourselves, how come other sections do not vote for an "inactive mod" by demonstrating "look the NYTA's don't have an active mod, why do we have to have Neo always in our section just cuz he lives here". Yea far fetched, but it's a 2 way street. |
is this really that "intriguing"? the whole site is anchored by mods, so why would people look toward an exception to the rule when their own circumstance suits them fine?
| quote: | | Reason being, I think some of us who have been here for a while would like to see some change for the better than see the same old thing just with a recycled community of people who come, grow out of the music scene and move on, thus quickly refilled by the young one who is all about the music scene. |
people come and go; the cycles of creative destruction have been pushing us forward since time immemorial. moderators are powerless to stop the ebbs and flows of personal taste. furthermore, the high levels of ignorance, intolerance and general douchebaggery prevalent in this forum make the notion of shepherding young fans into scene laughable. |
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| kid nyce |
I guess I'm advocating change as in progression. I mean come out, this is New York, I think this is a sad representation of all the true talent locally here in one concise board. Why can't NYTA be a plethora of knowledge? I know we have talent here but we do little to keep it visible.
A good example which I'm sure would win over the hearts of the surrounding areas is making a sticky for each major city that has been incorporated to USA - New York.
A sticky for Boston People
A sticky for DC People
A sticky for Business Profesionals
Boston and DC people get their own thread to thrive in, can act as them lobbying for their own section (30+ active members)
Business Professionals can post their resumes, current employment and opportunities for those who might need them. We have a huge section here of people and we do nothing to centralize it, nothing to organize it, and just keep it as Parties, Reviews, Occassional Meetups, just the every day norm.
I just learned Gramps (Alex) works at Best Buy, now I'm not saying he's going to hook you up, but wouldn't it be nice to know someone who worked there who might do you a favor in change for one? This encourages us to reach out to other members who we don't normally talk to, stretches our social boundaries, encourages networking, it's the fact of living in this generation.
I'm not talking about giving a MySpace thread a sticky, I'm talking about real useful information that we all can contribute to. Our section is so bland, and I hate when people compare us to other regions...THIS IS NYTA FOR GODSAKE! We should be leading this not following other peoples foot steps.
Maybe I'm a bit too proactive in my dreams and aspirations but I come to NYTA and see the same recycled junk. I'm on this board all day every day and it's my escape. |
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| trunks1022 |
| a mod would be useful for emergency circumstances. like when tubgirI pics are shown or we have trolls or something on the boards. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
Maybe I'm a bit too proactive in my dreams and aspirations but I come to NYTA and see the same recycled junk. I'm on this board all day every day and it's my escape. |
And it's been really boring lately, but not because of a lack of mods.
Hell, today is Monday. This used to be one of the most busy days of the week on here because there would be review threads and other threads created by the things that occurred on the busiest days in our scene, Friday and Saturday. Instead, there have been a total of 20 threads with responses since people got up this morning. 5 of them are DC/Boston threads, 3 are promo mixes/tracks, a new radio show announcement, and the usual photo, download, and what are you listening to threads. The ONLY review thread even touched today was for TFST. Dave Seaman got less than 1 page and Armand van Helden got 2 pages, most of which was between the same 3-4 people bitching about the crowd. It's really sad when the PS3 thread gets more attention than the music ones.
This isn't stuff that's going to be helped by new mods. The problem is one that I've been complaining about for awhile to Christina. No one goes out anymore, therefore they don't have anything to talk about on here. You two mod candidates are prime examples, but I can name quite a few more who have become incredibly inactive on the board as a result of being inactive in the entire scene. Maybe you thnk everything sucks now and you hate the clubs that get the DJs that you like, you're growing up and have other responisibilities, etc., but no matter what the reason, the result is that people don't have anything related to the music to talk about on here. |
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| DJ A.K |
| Hey, GhB... I was one of the people bitching about the crowd @ AvH, so I apologize if I offended you. But I will say that, with the exception of the parties that I missed over my winter break, I've been clubbing at least once every weekend since I got onto the scene in September. I've been lucky and been comped by Bradley or otherwise at times, and other times I've had to pay full or reduced... but that didn't stop me. Sometimes I've had to neglect my responsibilities or cancel other plans and let other freinds down... but that still didn't stop me. At times, I've had to drop the outrageous bribes that Crobar bouncers expect in order to get my 18 year old self into 21+ parties... but that didn't stop me. I mean, sometimes I get help from freinds, but I try to be consistant and I love the scene, so please don't make sweeping statements about people 'not going out anymore'. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ A.K
Hey, GhB... I was one of the people bitching about the crowd @ AvH, so I apologize if I offended you. But I will say that, with the exception of the parties that I missed over my winter break, I've been clubbing at least once every weekend since I got onto the scene in September. I've been lucky and been comped by Bradley or otherwise at times, and other times I've had to pay full or reduced... but that didn't stop me. Sometimes I've had to neglect my responsibilities or cancel other plans and let other freinds down... but that still didn't stop me. At times, I've had to drop the outrageous bribes that Crobar bouncers expect in order to get my 18 year old self into 21+ parties... but that didn't stop me. I mean, sometimes I get help from freinds, but I try to be consistant and I love the scene, so please don't make sweeping statements about people 'not going out anymore'. |
Why would I be offended??? I was just saying that it wasn't that many people contributing to the thread. I'm glad SOMEONE contributes.
I was mostly talking about the older people that used to be on here more, not the newer guys like yourself. There are more of them leaving than new people starting, though. |
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| DJ A.K |
| quote: | | I was mostly talking about the older people that used to be on here more, not the newer guys like yourself. There are more of them leaving than new people starting, though. |
Ah, I see your point. |
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