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Your favorite BPM speed (pg. 8)
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
at 0 bpm not only would there not be a beat, but there will not be any music whatsoever.
in a track of infinite bpm (from a post on the first page) and a finite length there would only be time for one audible moment of sound/s.
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Lol I was just kidding...being sarcastic. Hence why I said the DJ would stand their doing nothing.... Like what John Cage did back in the 20s. |
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| Rainborn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
at 0 bpm not only would there not be a beat, but there will not be any music whatsoever.
in a track of infinite bpm (from a post on the first page) and a finite length there would only be time for one audible moment of sound/s.
the tracks i enjoy the most are often in the range of 110-132 bpm. |
What the ? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rainborn
What the ? |
A beat isn't just percussion you know. It's the rhythm of the track: how much music happens in a space of time. I can't describe it very well because I'm not a trained musician. |
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| d-miurge |
| 128 is by far the best bpm for a progressive track. |
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| Rainborn |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
A beat isn't just percussion you know. It's the rhythm of the track: how much music happens in a space of time. I can't describe it very well because I'm not a trained musician. |
Yeah... that's correct, now that I think of it.
! There's always something that I miss... |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
A beat isn't just percussion you know. It's the rhythm of the track: how much music happens in a space of time. I can't describe it very well because I'm not a trained musician. |
What about just pure sound, or pulses of sound ala a-tonal or chance music or music concrete. You know the really experimental, minimalist stuff done in the early 1900s and is still done to this day by various performers, some that just record silence with slight pulses. Wouldn't that be almost 0 BPM? There really wouldn't be much besides these fragments of sound...Richie Hawtin has experimented with this kind of stuff, esp when he was releasing stuff under the Plastikman alias. Also Pan Sonic does some really crazy stuff, some of the most minimal and just plain weird "music" i've heard. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
What about just pure sound, or pulses of sound ala a-tonal or chance music or music concrete. You know the really experimental, minimalist stuff done in the early 1900s and is still done to this day by various performers, some that just record silence with slight pulses. Wouldn't that be almost 0 BPM? There really wouldn't be much besides these fragments of sound...Richie Hawtin has experimented with this kind of stuff, esp when he was releasing stuff under the Plastikman alias. |
Plastikman just sounds like trippy, minimal acid to me. As for that stuff, it doesn't particularly obey musical rules. You could say that it doesn't have a BPM, rather than having 0 BPM, because any value of BPM implies a rhythm. |
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| d-miurge |
| The BPM doesn't really matter, you can do happy hardcore with 75 bpm. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Plastikman just sounds like trippy, minimal acid to me. As for that stuff, it doesn't particularly obey musical rules. You could say that it doesn't have a BPM, rather than having 0 BPM, because any value of BPM implies a rhythm. |
Okay I see, I've just listened to "Consumed" before by him and it definitely seems like there really is no definite beat, it's just these pulses of sound, really sparingly throughout a piece. I didn't know if you consider these pulses a BPM or rhythm, because it's definitely a sound but it's very minimal. Some of it sounds like it definitely has a beat, other stuff just seems like washes of sound and pulses. But now that I think of it Plastikman has more of a rhythm and BPM than Pan Sonic's music does. Pan Sonic does some ultra minimal stuff...I dunno how you would calculate the BPM of some of their music/sounds/noise whatever you want to consider it. |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
the older I get the lower I like my BPM's... |
yeah... high 120's. freaky heh...
>JM< |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
this is like considering architecture by how high above sea level it is.
completely unrelated to the quality |
Not true. A song's tempo is important because songs are written specifically to be in a certain tempo range. Most trance is written in 'allegro' which means literally 'at ease'. Switch to Drum and Bass and that is typically 'presto' - fast. Gabber Hardcore is typically written specifically to be in 'prestisimo' which is very fast.
Note: Music written with a slower tempo can have smaller notes in quicker succession without sounding like a complete torrent. The faster the tempo, the less of this you can get away with, without it sounding weird and wrong. This is why very fast hardcore is often very 'bare' in terms of its instrumentation and in terms of the musical elements in most of these tracks. It is this way partly by design.
A psytrance arpeggio sounds great at allegro speeds. It sounds stupid at prestismo speed. Similarly, speed up a slow breaks tune to gabber speeds and listen to the groove crumble.
Tempo is more than just speed. It is connected to the mood in which the music is composed and the intented frame of mind it intends to put the listener into.
| quote: | | What about just pure sound, or pulses of sound ala a-tonal or chance music or music concrete. You know the really experimental, minimalist stuff done in the early 1900s and is still done to this day by various performers, some that just record silence with slight pulses. Wouldn't that be almost 0 BPM? There really wouldn't be much besides these fragments of sound...Richie Hawtin has experimented with this kind of stuff, esp when he was releasing stuff under the Plastikman alias. Also Pan Sonic does some really crazy stuff, some of the most minimal and just plain weird "music" i've heard. |
No ambient music does not have 0 BPM. Alot of ambient music does actually have a tempo or some kind of cyclical pattern to beatmatch to. At least, in part. However, the key difference is that ambient music does not have a stable or fixed tempo. So whilst you can probably beatmatch on parts of an ambient tune, you wont have it synced for very long before it starts to wander off at a different speed. It can change alot over the course of a song and its often not deliberate.
This is why ambient DJs swing tunes out of intros or outros or simply layer ambient songs for interesting timbres and textures, crossfading at times when it sounds appropriate for the mood of the event. Its a completely different way of spinning records. |
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| J:\Digital |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
In my humble opinion thats too fast for psy. |
I disagree. :p |
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