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Good Records or Good DJ ?? (pg. 3)
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| cryo |
both.
i just saw james lavelle play at glow in DC (he was only supposed to open but he was sorta tagging with sasha, lavelle played the peak hours anyways)
james lavelle is the worst ing dj. he cannot mix at all, there were multiple trainwrecks, terrible phrase matching and when he tried to transition it was a combination of trainwreck while the phrases were off and then just a fade out. his track selection was ok. but it had no flow or direction, he'd play a big track and then follow up with something that you would play in the opening hour.
his mixing was so bad i could barely enjoy a song that i liked that he played because his horrible mixing had my ears echoing the horror in my head.
so yea... both if the mixing is bad and the tracks are good, the bad mixing will spoil the good tracks. if the mixing is good but the tracks are bad then mixing won't make the bad tracks sound good. |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryo
both.
i just saw james lavelle play at glow in DC (he was only supposed to open but he was sorta tagging with sasha, lavelle played the peak hours anyways)
james lavelle is the worst ing dj. he cannot mix at all, there were multiple trainwrecks, terrible phrase matching and when he tried to transition it was a combination of trainwreck while the phrases were off and then just a fade out. his track selection was ok. but it had no flow or direction, he'd play a big track and then follow up with something that you would play in the opening hour.
his mixing was so bad i could barely enjoy a song that i liked that he played because his horrible mixing had my ears echoing the horror in my head.
so yea... both if the mixing is bad and the tracks are good, the bad mixing will spoil the good tracks. if the mixing is good but the tracks are bad then mixing won't make the bad tracks sound good. |
Why Sasha allows him to play alongside him...I have no idea... |
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| Master_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
i can deal with bad mixing as long as the tracks are good. i hate the geeks that take forever to get up and dance but spend the majority of the night trainspotting for bad transitions the dj makes.. those types are just picking cos they wish they were up there djing. |
You hit the nail on the head with that one mate...
I can deal with bad mixing coz at least he/she is trying their best... track selection is a must though... if it doesnt do it for you it doesnt do it for you... I can listen to different djs and genres but if the tracks are ... then they are . |
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| Master_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
There is simply no reason why any good DJ should have poor mixing skills, particularly those who are booked to spin all around the world. |
I think these days you get a lot of producers who are doing djing after they make a name for themselves through the tracks that they have produced.. You hear the productions and you are like "wow" but when u see them live its a let down... simply because they are producers before they are djs...
thats my angle on it... |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Master_Jay
I think these days you get a lot of producers who are doing djing after they make a name for themselves through the tracks that they have produced.. You hear the productions and you are like "wow" but when u see them live its a let down... simply because they are producers before they are djs...
thats my angle on it... |
well, yeah. but the really good ones, they seem to make up for it. they don't know what to do in a live situation, but the good producers, they usually want to try something more akin to live production. i mean, i saw Holden for the first time in 2004. his mixing was not impressive at all, and he did up a few times. but this was one of the rare cases where i didn't give a crap because the tracks he was spinning were ing INSANE, he had an amazing flow, did some unusual things (he'd pop in a cd, look for a specific cue point, play a track for 2 beats, switch back to the last one, look for another CD), had a lot of 'tool' tracks, etc. and just all around blew you away, even if his mixing wasn't impressive.
however, i don't see Holden as a godly DJ because i'm aware of his lacking technical ability. i understand he has gotten better at it by now.
another DJ i let slide (but shouldn't) is Richie Hawtin. last time i saw him the mixing was pretty good, although the first time, he wrecked once or twice. his mixer was ing up on him tho, so i sort of forgive him. now, that mofo used to be razor sharp back in the day. in any case, those live edits, and special cuts he plays just have me going :crazy: despite anything else that may be happening. |
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| nrjizer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Master_Jay
I think these days you get a lot of producers who are doing djing after they make a name for themselves through the tracks that they have produced.. You hear the productions and you are like "wow" but when u see them live its a let down... simply because they are producers before they are djs...
thats my angle on it... |
Ok, in that case they should not be booked. That story about James Lavelle is a perfect example. For s sake, I can mix and program far better than that, and I do this in my spare time. The fact that some big names are booked all over the world and are paid so much, and yet spin so terribly, is not only absurd but downright sad. |
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| tvmann |
Watch your language buddy, offensive comments are not required. I DJ with Traktor and the people like it.
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
If your DJ is going to make every transition go CLAK CLAK CLAK CLAK, then you may as well have some up in the booth with traktor or some .
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Amd on the thread question, tracks selection is more important than mixing. Lots of clubs operated in the old days without any mixing at all and that worked fine. Some clubs still work that way. People come to listen to the music, hopefully the DJ has selected the good stuff. |
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| stefanoc |
good records. good mixing is a great bonus that will make the set sound even better.
its been proven. paul oakenfold! |
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| cryo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis86
Why Sasha allows him to play alongside him...I have no idea... |
me either, lavelle ruined the whole night.
and there has got to be a time while sasha is jumping or clapping to hype the crowd where he was thinking
"man i can't believe i requested james lavelle instead of james zabiela... i musta been drunk" |
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| Zild |
| When I say that track selection is better than technical skills, I wasn't saying people should be so incompetent they trainwreck. A prerequisite for even a bad DJ is being able to play a set without wrecking. Not a loose mix like Frankie Bones, but a real trainwreck with the whole b-boom thing going on like DJ Irene. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rippey64
it's really hard to play 3 trance record at once |
But is possible ;) without it sounding gash as well. |
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| Stu Cox |
Oh and on the original topic - definately tune selection.
A good technical DJ can make e tracks sound reasonable, but think how good he/she could make good tracks sound... Of course there's a point where it's best just to let the record play as originally intended: some think that this should be all of the time, others think that certain tracks should never be played with and personally I think it depends on the point in the set, what's happened around it and the rest of the elements in the equation - take your pick. |
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