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Aaaaggrrr!!! I Hate Cdj-100 !! ((( (pg. 3)
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| I've loved the CDJ 100s since the first time I used them. If .1 resolution isn't close enough for you practice beatmatching more. |
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| Stu Cox |
I've just finished a new demo on my 100s... not problems at all.
It's what you're used to - I agree on a CDJ200/800/1000 I don't have to sit there watching and adjusting the thing all of the time, but I've had these things for about 5 years - back then I didn't have the cash for even one CDJ1000 (they were still going for about £800 each then) and the 800 and 200 were but a twinkle in the Pioneer DJ gear design team's eye... :rolleyes: (so don't try telling me I should have got 200s!)
You either get used to it or you get rid of it. But it's very good practice :) in case you turn up to a club to find a god-forsaken Denon DN-1000F or something :nervous: |
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| Ryan0751 |
There are a LOT of decks out there with .1% pitch, and I'm convinced people that complain they "can't hold a mix" with .1% just aren't very good at beatmatching.
A few points:
1. If you look at a CDJ-1000's pitch slider (which I have), it's a certain physical length. When the unit is in 6% mode, you get .02% pitch increments. Fine. Now look at the Technics pitch slider... same length, but it's +/ 8%. Now... move the CDJ-1000's pitch slider just enough to go up or down .02%. It's a TINY movement. Since the Technics slider represents an even larger range (+/- 8%), a .02% change in pitch on the Technics slider would require such a tiny movement that it's not really possible. Are you REALLY going be that perfect? I get it as close as I can, and ride the pitch just a little tiny bit during the mix. On CDJ's you can do the same, or use the pitch bend feature.
2. Technics 1200M5G's use a digital pitch slider. They don't advertise the "resolution".
I think these two points put to bed any claims that the 1200's "analog" pitch sliders are so much more accurate than any CDJ. Yes having .05 or .02% pitch resolution is nice, but it's not required.
Practice!
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
I've just finished a new demo on my 100s... not problems at all.
It's what you're used to - I agree on a CDJ200/800/1000 I don't have to sit there watching and adjusting the thing all of the time, but I've had these things for about 5 years - back then I didn't have the cash for even one CDJ1000 (they were still going for about £800 each then) and the 800 and 200 were but a twinkle in the Pioneer DJ gear design team's eye... :rolleyes: (so don't try telling me I should have got 200s!)
You either get used to it or you get rid of it. But it's very good practice :) in case you turn up to a club to find a god-forsaken Denon DN-1000F or something :nervous: |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_palm
get the 800 or 1000, rest is crap. actualy i think the 800 isnt acurate enough either. would die to have an analog pitch on a cd playar with no resolution. wonder why that is such a hard thing to do? |
Crap?
I prefer the CDJ-200 over the CDJ-800
They have a better accuracy |
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| blacknoizybox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
There are a LOT of decks out there with .1% pitch, and I'm convinced people that complain they "can't hold a mix" with .1% just aren't very good at beatmatching.
A few points:
1. If you look at a CDJ-1000's pitch slider (which I have), it's a certain physical length. When the unit is in 6% mode, you get .02% pitch increments. Fine. Now look at the Technics pitch slider... same length, but it's +/ 8%. Now... move the CDJ-1000's pitch slider just enough to go up or down .02%. It's a TINY movement. Since the Technics slider represents an even larger range (+/- 8%), a .02% change in pitch on the Technics slider would require such a tiny movement that it's not really possible. Are you REALLY going be that perfect? I get it as close as I can, and ride the pitch just a little tiny bit during the mix. On CDJ's you can do the same, or use the pitch bend feature.
2. Technics 1200M5G's use a digital pitch slider. They don't advertise the "resolution".
I think these two points put to bed any claims that the 1200's "analog" pitch sliders are so much more accurate than any CDJ. Yes having .05 or .02% pitch resolution is nice, but it's not required.
Practice! |
it IS required because it makes mixing better. that's what dj equipment is for. cdj100 is technically outdated. there's no need to comment here. i played on cdj1000/800 more than on a cdj100 so it makes a difference..
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| Ryan0751 |
Like I said, it's definately nice. But for years and years DJ's have been playing on Denon Dual decks with .1% pitch... and I'm pretty sure many of them can mix better then you or I.
| quote: | Originally posted by blacknoizybox
it IS required because it makes mixing better. that's what dj equipment is for. cdj100 is technically outdated. there's no need to comment here. i played on cdj1000/800 more than on a cdj100 so it makes a difference..
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| Rebel Brown |
| quote: | Originally posted by blacknoizybox
it IS required because it makes mixing better. |
Do people NEED a 4 channel mixer? No; you can run 2 CDJs and 2 turntables from a 2 channel battle mixer, you just have to flick a switch.
Likewise you don't NEED 0.02 or 0.05 pitch increments either, sure, (like having a 4 channel mixer), it makes things more convenient, but it's not a necessity.
Look at Stu's mixes he's posted on here for proof, he uses CDJ 100's and his mixes ing rule. |
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| blacknoizybox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
Do people NEED a 4 channel mixer? No; you can run 2 CDJs and 2 turntables from a 2 channel battle mixer, you just have to flick a switch.
Likewise you don't NEED 0.02 or 0.05 pitch increments either, sure, (like having a 4 channel mixer), it makes things more convenient, but it's not a necessity.
Look at Stu's mixes he's posted on here for proof, he uses CDJ 100's and his mixes ing rule. |
i think you are comparing the incomparable. two channels are definetely enough for plain mixing. but low vs high pitch resolution isnt the case, because accurate pitch lets you concentrate on other stuff than holding the tracks beatmatched. but ofcourse pro's can do it on any equipment, that why there pro's. but honestly i dont want to practice on cdj100s because playing on them is no fun (no vinyl mode, no loops etc). :) imho |
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there's no lag in the cdj-100s' jog wheel! wtf are you on about? :wtf:
and 0,1% pitch accuracy ain't the best as you'll need to adjust it during the mix most times, but then would you get it exactly right straight away on 0,02% pitch accuracy so you wouldn't have to adjust it? i know i probably wouldn't. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by blacknoizybox
it IS required because it makes mixing better. that's what dj equipment is for. cdj100 is technically outdated. there's no need to comment here. i played on cdj1000/800 more than on a cdj100 so it makes a difference..
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I don't think you can really say that anything other than a CD player, an amp and a speaker are REQUIRED...
yeah it's nice to have 2 CD players and a basic mixer so there isn't a gap in the music,
it's nice to have pitch control so you can beatmatch,
it's nice to have eq so you can make the mix smoother,
it's nice to have 0.1% resolution cos it's better than 0.2% (which does exist on some old cd decks... the CDJ800 even goes to 0.5% increments on 'wide' mode),
it's even nicer to have 0.05% resolution,
nicer still to have 0.02% resolution...
and it's nice to be presented with a hooker and a wrap of coke when you finish your set
But how far do you go? (not talking about with the hooker here) If you say at least 0.05% increments are REQUIRED then why isn't 0.01% resolution required, or even 0.001%...
Ya get meh?
It does all depend on what you want to do. A 3 or 4 deck mixer IS required if you want to do 3 deck mixing... and higher than 0.1% resolution IS require if you need to have your hands free more of the time while you're mixing to do other things, which is a point I'm starting to reach so shall be investing in some new CDJs over the next year or so.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't prefer playing on higher resolution... who wouldn't? Just watch your wording ;) |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
Look at Stu's mixes he's posted on here for proof, he uses CDJ 100's and his mixes ing rule. |
Aww shucks, you say the nicest things :o :p |
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| ZeJayMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
im sorry but 0.02 resolution of my cdj200 is only just enough. tried 800's with the 0.05 recently and were great. but i had to correct every 10 seconds so the mix was hot. but with cd players you shouldnt have to be playing with the pitch once you got em synched. i wanna be concentrating on the mixer not keeping a non accurate cd player from loosing sync..
i remember when i was good on vinyl mixing i didnt have to touch the pitch or platter during a mix. cos they just stuck once i got the speeds right. the analogue pitch gives you infinate pitch increments. so you can really get the speeds perfect
players with 0.1% increments are not much fun if you want your mixes to be long progressive ones imo. |
0.02 is more accurate... Doh! |
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