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my trip to korea (pg. 3)
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by illmaticnyc
i dont get your rolleye icon. whats wrong with my sig.
does the "can you dig it" offend you? its more a private joke for me if anything.
as far as the comment nigga. if they were saying "nigga" in a song it wasnt meant as a korean word. its probably a whored out version of what is used in the states.
the word nigga has evolved and spanned across many diff meanings. although its an offensive word ill admit i use it with my friends. why? because its EVERYWHERE in EVERY son and its even broken its way into main stream culture...ie movies, SNL, news, etc.
koreans in korea have a FASCINATION with hip hop the culture and its music. i mean like i was sayin before they have clubs where people go to live that hip hop hype. its hard to describe...maybe i can find some video. i tried searching on youtube but the videos arent clear. |
As for your sig I guess I used the wrong smiley. I read "lots of people have unprotected sex in Korea. There are lots of girls on birth control ... can you dig it?" LOL. As I was scrolling down your sig just kinda went with what you were saying.
And yeah, 'nigga' has become popularized and I'll leave it at that. It's a bit of a touchy subject for me :wtf:
| quote: | Originally posted by barosoap
If you hear someone Chinese saying "nigga" in regular conversation, it could also just be 'na ge, which kinda of works like "umm" or "err" in English. It's a filler for when someone's trying to get a thought out. |
Heh. Yeah, I remember hearing about that in some of my language coursework when we went over hesitation sounds. I'll keep that in mind if I ever make it to China. I'm a little afraid to go there though. |
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| illmaticnyc |
| quote: | Originally posted by barosoap
If you hear someone Chinese saying "nigga" in regular conversation, it could also just be 'na ge, which kinda of works like "umm" or "err" in English. It's a filler for when someone's trying to get a thought out. |
i didnt know that....in korean i dont know of any fillers other than the typical filler sounds like....hmmmm....or a pucker of the lips |
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| illmaticnyc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
into main stream culture...ie movies, SNL, news, etc.
koreans in korea have a FASCINATION with hip hop the culture and its music. i mean like i was sayin before they have clubs where people go to live that hip hop hype. its hard to describe...maybe i can find some video. i tried searching on youtube but the videos arent clear. |
As for your sig I guess I used the wrong smiley. I read "lots of people have unprotected sex in Korea. There are lots of girls on birth control ... can you dig it?" LOL. As I was scrolling down your sig just kinda went with what you were saying.
And yeah, 'nigga' has become popularized and I'll leave it at that. It's a bit of a touchy subject for me :wtf:
ahahahah i thought you meant my can you dig it sig offended you. i didnt get it. but i see your point. i guess the sig does kinda go hand in hand in a mischievious way with my comments about girls in korea but its true. girls there are quite scandalous. i hear the locals there will get offended if you wear a condom implying they are dirty. however if they sleep with foreigners there is the stigma that they all are disease carriers. for example...a lot of non korean men are not allowed into the red light district industry of korea. some areas are CATERED to foreigners but they have prositution for korean only.
nigga has def become popularized and i can understand your discomfort with it. its kind of like when people make stupid chinese accents thinking its funny like pretending to order food for lunch. but tahts people. i went to korea and they were racist towards me because im from america but im still korean! well in some cases. generally people were friendly.
Heh. Yeah, I remember hearing about that in some of my language coursework when we went over hesitation sounds. I'll keep that in mind if I ever make it to China. I'm a little afraid to go there though. [/QUOTE] |
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| illmaticnyc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
into main stream culture...ie movies, SNL, news, etc.
koreans in korea have a FASCINATION with hip hop the culture and its music. i mean like i was sayin before they have clubs where people go to live that hip hop hype. its hard to describe...maybe i can find some video. i tried searching on youtube but the videos arent clear. |
As for your sig I guess I used the wrong smiley. I read "lots of people have unprotected sex in Korea. There are lots of girls on birth control ... can you dig it?" LOL. As I was scrolling down your sig just kinda went with what you were saying.
And yeah, 'nigga' has become popularized and I'll leave it at that. It's a bit of a touchy subject for me :wtf:
and dont be afraid to go. you should really check it out. if anything they will fear YOu more.
Heh. Yeah, I remember hearing about that in some of my language coursework when we went over hesitation sounds. I'll keep that in mind if I ever make it to China. I'm a little afraid to go there though. [/QUOTE] |
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| barosoap |
| quote: | Originally posted by illmaticnyc
i didnt know that....in korean i dont know of any fillers other than the typical filler sounds like....hmmmm....or a pucker of the lips |
In Tagalog (Filipino) it's "ang" or "yong" which means "the umm..."
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Heh. Yeah, I remember hearing about that in some of my language coursework when we went over hesitation sounds. I'll keep that in mind if I ever make it to China. I'm a little afraid to go there though. |
If you go, make sure to go with someone who speaks Chinese. Even though cities like Beijing and Shanghai are quickly developing, it's still hard to find anyone who speaks English. I don't know Cantonese or Mandarin, and the last time I went my greatest fear was getting lost and being swallowed up by the sea of other Asian people.
| quote: | Originally posted by illmaticnyc
and dont be afraid to go. you should really check it out. if anything they will fear YOu more.
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Very true lol no offense. |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by barosoap
If you go, make sure to go with someone who speaks Chinese. Even though cities like Beijing and Shanghai are quickly developing, it's still hard to find anyone who speaks English. I don't know Cantonese or Mandarin, and the last time I went my greatest fear was getting lost and being swallowed up by the sea of other Asian people.
Very true lol no offense. |
The language barrier is exactly what I'm afraid of. And I take it that, as you said, some countries are more 'English friendly' than others. My college language coursework was in Japanese though, so I'll start my travels in Tokyo, then hopefully brave the wilds of some of the typical TA European destinations :)
More afraid of me huh? I know in China the word for foreigner was once the equivalent of "white-devil". Now it's changed to "foreigner-devil" I believe. In Japan it was the same. Now it's just 'foreigner'. I wonder if it's the same in Korea or anywhere else.
I also hear that being from NYC is recieved differently than being from anywhere else in the US. Any truth in this? |
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| djonlyafterdark |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
The language barrier is exactly what I'm afraid of. And I take it that, as you said, some countries are more 'English friendly' than others. My college language coursework was in Japanese though, so I'll start my travels in Tokyo, then hopefully brave the wilds of some of the typical TA European destinations :)
More afraid of me huh? I know in China the word for foreigner was once the equivalent of "white-devil". Now it's changed to "foreigner-devil" I believe. In Japan it was the same. Now it's just 'foreigner'. I wonder if it's the same in Korea or anywhere else.
I also hear that being from NYC is recieved differently than being from anywhere else in the US. Any truth in this? |
i lived in japan for a while. Gai Jin is what they call you, means outsider... I used to get pointed out and whispered about all the time in my town, but once you speak the language and realise they are just curious because they never see foriengers its not that bad. it is a little annoying when you have lived there for ages and you call it home but they still call you the out sider... but thats just the way it is |
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| barosoap |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
I also hear that being from NYC is recieved differently than being from anywhere else in the US. Any truth in this? |
I have more experience with Europe than Asia, but I'd say you get more "Ooohhs" and "Ahhhs" when you say you're a New Yorker. These are followed by "I went to New York once..." which is a nice ice breaker. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by barosoap
I have more experience with Europe than Asia, but I'd say you get more "Ooohhs" and "Ahhhs" when you say you're a New Yorker. These are followed by "I went to New York once..." which is a nice ice breaker. |
Even in America you get treated differently if you're from New York as opposed to say, South Dakota or Texas. |
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| illmaticnyc |
| quote: | Originally posted by barosoap
I have more experience with Europe than Asia, but I'd say you get more "Ooohhs" and "Ahhhs" when you say you're a New Yorker. These are followed by "I went to New York once..." which is a nice ice breaker. |
some truth to that. when iw as in korea i got some oos and ahhs because i was from new york. i had some what of an instant cool factor to some. some were scared like i shot people before and i rape and pillage setting fires to expensive loft apartments....or villages. i might as well wear a ing bone through my nose.
anyways....blake...check out other countries despite your lack of the native language. that shuldnt stop you. and you might have taken japanese classes but speaking with japanese people on their level and speed is different. just go and absorb into it. thats the quickest and most productive way to learn anything. i am korean and i had a hard time in korea getting around. i can speak it but beacuse my dialect isnt all that great along with my pronunciation, well....i had to use my hands and fingers a lot.
in korea though i know a lot of the girls are attracted to black dudes. fad? i dont know. could be. just like anything else and at any time it could be "cool" to date the taboo. i have ink all over my body and some girls were scared and some were turned on. whatever floats their boat.
in regards to foreigners. they even have a term for me although im korea. gyok po is the word for american born korean. weh gook is foreigner. gook is country. megook is america. thats how the term GOOK came about towards koreans. the stupid ignorant soldier boys would make fun of the koreans saying...hey look at them slanted eye mother******s...they are saying me gook. so..call them gooks! little did they knwo that we were embracing them for coming to our country during the war. the word me actually means "beautiful" which translates to "Beautiful country." kinda makes you feel stupid if one were ignorant enough to call a korean a gook because they say mi gook for america. han is korea which is hangook. korean country.
im probably going to travel to bangkok and korea again. if we go at the same time id be happy to escort part of the trip and get you situated. |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by illmaticnyc
some truth to that. when iw as in korea i got some oos and ahhs because i was from new york. i had some what of an instant cool factor to some. some were scared like i shot people before and i rape and pillage setting fires to expensive loft apartments....or villages. i might as well wear a ing bone through my nose.
anyways....blake...check out other countries despite your lack of the native language. that shuldnt stop you. and you might have taken japanese classes but speaking with japanese people on their level and speed is different. just go and absorb into it. thats the quickest and most productive way to learn anything. i am korean and i had a hard time in korea getting around. i can speak it but beacuse my dialect isnt all that great along with my pronunciation, well....i had to use my hands and fingers a lot.
in korea though i know a lot of the girls are attracted to black dudes. fad? i dont know. could be. just like anything else and at any time it could be "cool" to date the taboo. i have ink all over my body and some girls were scared and some were turned on. whatever floats their boat.
in regards to foreigners. they even have a term for me although im korea. gyok po is the word for american born korean. weh gook is foreigner. gook is country. megook is america. thats how the term GOOK came about towards koreans. the stupid ignorant soldier boys would make fun of the koreans saying...hey look at them slanted eye mother******s...they are saying me gook. so..call them gooks! little did they knwo that we were embracing them for coming to our country during the war. the word me actually means "beautiful" which translates to "Beautiful country." kinda makes you feel stupid if one were ignorant enough to call a korean a gook because they say mi gook for america. han is korea which is hangook. korean country.
im probably going to travel to bangkok and korea again. if we go at the same time id be happy to escort part of the trip and get you situated. |
Wow. I didn't even know there was a denigratory work for Koreans.
I have a friend who went over there recently to visit family and such. Apparently they were shocked to see that she spoke Korean so well without accent given the fact that she had been contaminated having grown up in the States.
I definately agree that immersion is best when it comes to learning a language. No matter how much I study up with Japanese I'll still be nervous as hell going there. I had a very stiff professor who only taught us very formal, business talk. I'm sure I'll be asking people to repeat things a lot.
In any case I definately want to start getting my travels in before I get much older. It's good that lots of TA's travel all the time. I'll keep that in mind if I really don't want to go someplace alone. I have lots of friends who would like to travel, but not too many who can afford to, hence TAs :p |
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| illmaticnyc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Wow. I didn't even know there was a denigratory work for Koreans.
I have a friend who went over there recently to visit family and such. Apparently they were shocked to see that she spoke Korean so well without accent given the fact that she had been contaminated having grown up in the States.
I definately agree that immersion is best when it comes to learning a language. No matter how much I study up with Japanese I'll still be nervous as hell going there. I had a very stiff professor who only taught us very formal, business talk. I'm sure I'll be asking people to repeat things a lot.
In any case I definately want to start getting my travels in before I get much older. It's good that lots of TA's travel all the time. I'll keep that in mind if I really don't want to go someplace alone. I have lots of friends who would like to travel, but not too many who can afford to, hence TAs :p |
i wouldnt call it a denegratory term towards koreans like myself...i think its more like a classification. kinda like how we classify fresh off da boat type. or immigrants. some where happy to greet gyok pos or weh gooks. i mean you ARE in a land where it isnt very diverse. in america you are considered only a foreigner (well most of the time) if you dont live here. in koera you are a foreigner if you arent korean or cant speak korean fluently. |
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