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What is "V-shaped" EQ'ing?! What's being cut and boosted?
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| Dance123 |
Hi,
Anybody can explain what exactly V-shaped EQ'ing is? Apparently alot of records are mastered this way.
I suppose it means low and high freqs are boosed and mids are cut, but can anybody be more precise on which frequency ranges are boosted and which cut?!
If possible also post a picture of a graphic equalizer with how the V shape should be!!
Why is this V-shape being done? I mean, the mid frequencies give extra clarity/presence to a track, so why would you cut that? Is the V-shape perhaps the reason why I find that so many tracks lack presence compared to 80's productions?
Also, most hifi amplifiers have a "presence" button or something which I believe boosts the mid freqs, isn't that so, so why would you cut them. I always activate that "presence" button cause it sounds better then, otherwise alot of stuff sounds dull to me. What's your opinion?
Anyway, anybody can explain which frequeny ranges are boosted and which cut exactly and why?! And also post a pic of a graph eq with the shape if possible!
Thanks!! :) |
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| BOOsTER |
I think no vshape eqing is being done most of the time...the case for it might be club mixes cuz on club PAs you better like hearing bass, less mids, and highs...
so that might be it, not sure though... |
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| kitphillips |
Just a guess, but it might have to do with production in genres like a lot of the modern metal and stuff like that, I know its a popular thing with that crowd to scoop the mids out of a track, I personally don't like the sound but I understand that it may be done more for listening on a home stereo to make the track appear louder.
The Fletcher-munsen (sp?) stuff seems to indicate that a track mastered that way sounds louder at lower volumes but when cranked will just hurt... badly. I only make this guess because thats the background I come from, I hope EDM doesn't start to suffer from the production problems in rock. |
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| Dance123 |
| No, I actually read it once in an article that alot of pro trance tracks are being EQ'ed with a "V-shape".. but I never understood which frequency ranges are being cut/boosed and why it's done?! |
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
| I dont think v-shaped refers to certain frequencies. Just the low/mid/high. Its not exact. I hear that club mixes of songs are masterd this way. |
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| Thois |
Well, i've heard most tracks are eq'd with a v-shaped spectrum. Meaning if you analyze a track, there would be a lot of bass, less in the mid-range, and a lot of high freqs. That would make a v shape I think. Not sure if this is what they meant.
So: Boost low freqs, and boost hi-freqs to get this kind of sound I think... Not sure, perhaps some expert can straigthen this out. |
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| Dance123 |
| But what are the freq ranges of low, mid and high.. I need numbers like 50Hz to 200Hz or something.. things like that for the V-shape range.. like if mid is cut.. which freq range do they mean then? |
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| Thois |
Pfffffff... I dont know; 30-400 hz = low or something, 400-8000 = mid or something, 8000-20000 = high or something...
I guess |
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| kitphillips |
Right! very good! carry on then, I see there are people who actually understand this sort of thing here:) this is why I stay well away from mastering, I have no idea what I'm doing!
It's interesting though the v shape being used for club mixes because thats exactly against most of the stuff I've absorbed - which isn't to say it's wrong, only that you learn something new every day. |
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| substorm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dance123
But what are the freq ranges of low, mid and high.. I need numbers like 50Hz to 200Hz or something.. things like that for the V-shape range.. like if mid is cut.. which freq range do they mean then? |
Well, this is a typical V-shape mastering for me:
Cut everything below 20hz (Takes away the bottom skin)
Boost A little around 125hz (To give the kick more attack)
Cut at 250 - 500 (Take away overflow of mids, often from pads and reverb)
Boost a bit around 4000hz (brings out the synths more)
Cut a little around 16000 (Bring down thw highs a bit)
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
I dont think there are specific frequencies for V-shape equing but like Substorm has posted you can have a prefrence.
There cannot realy be preset frequencies to boost/lower for every song because obviously each song has different characteristics.
I think the V-Shape just refers to general boosting highs and lows whilst cutting the mids a slight bit.
Just because it looks like this.
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