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| Aquadyne |
i'd have to agree wiith true altruism not existing
everything is in fact is reducible to self-interest, which is very sad. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquadyne
i'd have to agree wiith true altruism not existing
everything is in fact is reducible to self-interest, which is very sad. |
fact of life
just like dying
and always seeing andy with at least two drinks in his hands |
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| True altruism can only exist in a truelly enlightened person. 99.99999 percent of us will will never see this. |
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| Aquadyne |
too true blake
too true |
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| Aquadyne |
| p.s. you should come over and make me a fluffy omelette - i'm pretty hungover |
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| Quadlow |
wow did this thread get derailed ... haha
well its def good to here some of your opinions on the subject. like i said peoples views of progressive definitely differ from person to person. some people have taken that word and built their image, philosophy and sound over just one word. yet some people just use it to describe the layout of a track. i would take a listen to a couple of those tracks but to be completely honest with you im lazy, if i get a chance i will check them out and post a few links to a few tracks that i find to be "progressive" if you want to call it in this day and age. rob your a big chatch-ka poopie stain and next time im putting a lether on you that will shock you if you try to talk about music. now everyone be good and go to my drip party (shameless plug) :stongue: .
~mathias matthew |
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| headrushmusic |
My little breakdown of the matter.
Overall, I take progressive to mean the vibe of the set. Starting light bouncy, and ending deep and big.
However, I do think that 'progressive' does mean a certain style of track - deep, loopy, trippy - that hasn't changed over the years. (Yes I think "progressive" tracks existed in early house and techno before Twilo ever opened its doors.)
Yes, a lot of producers and DJs like Fortier and Van M and Digweed have moved away from that classic sound, but I don't think that the new breeds of acid, electro, and techno are now the new "progressive." Simply changing from one style to the next doesn't mean you've "progressed." (Like one guy said, it's actually regressive to the old 808 and 909 analog)
Producers can "progress" within that defined sound. There are so many variations that have emerged! Different ways of offering chord progression, melody, and instrumentation are so much more prevalent now than they were in the 90s. With Ableton Live, Reason, Cubase, new Virus synth patches, etc etc etc - there is no reason for everything to be exactly identical to something you heard 10 years ago (and it's not!!)
In my opinion, a DJ cannot beat a crowd over the head with the electro, crunchy, acid, super-bouncy stuff for three hours and then call his set "progressive." He or she either needs to start with it or end with it. IMHO, you need that deep trippy classic prog sound to make it "journey music." Without the journey, you're just going 'round and 'round in circles and bouncing up and down, and that's not progress, my friends.
The distinctive mark of progressive music is it's ability to trigger movement in your headspace as well as your feet. Other music is purely physical, or purely emotional cheese - progressive combines both. |
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| TRanTS |
| quote: | Originally posted by headrushmusic
In my opinion, a DJ cannot beat a crowd over the head with the electro, crunchy, acid, super-bouncy stuff for three hours and then call his set "progressive." He or she either needs to start with it or end with it. IMHO, you need that deep trippy classic prog sound to make it "journey music." Without the journey, you're just going 'round and 'round in circles and bouncing up and down, and that's not progress, my friends. |
very well put! |
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| Quadlow |
| quote: | Originally posted by headrushmusic
The distinctive mark of progressive music is it's ability to trigger movement in your headspace as well as your feet. Other music is purely physical, or purely emotional cheese - progressive combines both. |
this last statement makes me completely ignore was sense you made earlier in your post. do you smoke crack? because im not not mistaken your basically saying that all other forms of electronic music that isn't progressive cannot move you physically and mentally. if that is the case then i can safely say that you’re the reason why the word progressive can die. the following quote is for you’re from Ishkur:
"Alright, this progressive nonsense has got to stop. You do not make yourself intelligent and creative by using that word. Instead, you make yourself out to be haughty and pretentious. That makes you no better than the French. This goes for progressive rock, progressive house, progressive trance, progressive progress, and even progressive itself. Kill the word already. It means nothing. "
now even though i agree with the majority of what has been posting, mostly dealing with how people see progressive as a song structure. its pretentious crap like "headrushes" comment that makes me wonder how some human beings are still allowed to bread. so stuck into the my is better then yours crap that it makes me sick. |
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| headrushmusic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Quadlow
this last statement makes me completely ignore was sense you made earlier in your post. do you smoke crack? because im not not mistaken your basically saying that all other forms of electronic music that isn't progressive cannot move you physically and mentally. if that is the case then i can safely say that you’re the reason why the word progressive can die. the following quote is for you’re from Ishkur:
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No, I don't smoke crack. (Though I do know quite a few tech-house and elecro fans who prefer the jacked up states of coke). I'm not here to have you sling accusations of being pretentious simply for my having an opinion. Smoke some weed and chill out a bit, you might enjoy it. Ready, now - let's keep this above child's play.
To respond your retort that you had to borrow from Ishkur to make -
No, I'm not saying that progressive is the only style that can move the head and the feet - what I AM saying is that progressive seems to be the only style of DJ set that keeps everything in balance. Too much of the bouncy bouncy track after track pulls the vibe in one direction, as does track after track of emotional vocals.
The biggest differences I've experienced in many nights of hearing different DJs is that the progressive ones (house, breaks, trance) tend to keep the vibe on a balanced, even keel - and generally don't throw in too much of something in the wrong place or wrong time of the night to up the vibe and send everyone crashing down in exhaustion to the bar or in a tear-sobbing mess huddled in the corner. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by headrushmusic
No, I'm not saying that progressive is the only style that can move the head and the feet - what I AM saying is that progressive seems to be the only style of DJ set that keeps everything in balance. Too much of the bouncy bouncy track after track pulls the vibe in one direction, as does track after track of emotional vocals. |
by that definition, basically any good DJ who understands how to build up a vibe and program a set could be considered a "progressive" DJ, regardless of the genre of music they're playing.
edit // hmm and i see you elaborated on that in your first post, but yeah... the last paragraph threw me off too. |
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| Quadlow |
| quote: | Originally posted by headrushmusic
No, I don't smoke crack. (Though I do know quite a few tech-house and elecro fans who prefer the jacked up states of coke). I'm not here to have you sling accusations of being pretentious simply for my having an opinion. Smoke some weed and chill out a bit, you might enjoy it. Ready, now - let's keep this above child's play.
To respond your retort that you had to borrow from Ishkur to make -
No, I'm not saying that progressive is the only style that can move the head and the feet - what I AM saying is that progressive seems to be the only style of DJ set that keeps everything in balance. Too much of the bouncy bouncy track after track pulls the vibe in one direction, as does track after track of emotional vocals.
The biggest differences I've experienced in many nights of hearing different DJs is that the progressive ones (house, breaks, trance) tend to keep the vibe on a balanced, even keel - and generally don't throw in too much of something in the wrong place or wrong time of the night to up the vibe and send everyone crashing down in exhaustion to the bar or in a tear-sobbing mess huddled in the corner. |
Well i appreciate you clarifying what you said before. Its things like this that are mostly the cause of disagreement on message boards. Although i don’t agree with you that progressive is the only form of music that is balanced i appreciate you putting it into your perspective. However im still convinced that you smoke crack.
I didn't have to borrow anything from anyone but he's says it with such a ring and personally your views are still extrememly pretentious which im sure that you will disagree with. Keep thinking your prog is all balanced and i will keep thinking that its boring. See its not your description of progressive that bothers me its your pompous take on progressives place in the edm world. If you think that other forms of EDM are not balanced then you havn't heard a good jocky that does it proper with proper tunes. Your allowed to have an opinion but when it basically says well all other forms of edm are not as "balanced" and wont move you mentally and physically that just makes you an dick. But whatever thanks for sharing and take care buddy.
ohh and pot sucks ass, give that to rob :tongue2 |
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