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EDM Producers who are engineers. (pg. 2)
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_kane
why wouldnt you say his name? :conf:
if its tiesto everyone already knows about that. |
Don't you get it! Cyrus here is the guy making the music. He can't expose his clients, they rely on his work man! |
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| Derivative |
Not everyone has a single engineer all of the time.
Photek had Steve Barkan engineer 'Mine to Give.' To my knowledge a number of his drum and bass records were engineered by various guys at Metropolis. They also mastered a number of his songs.
Nine Inch Nails had Flood co engineer most of the songs on Downward Spiral. On The Fragile, Alan Moulder was the engineer.
This seems fairly typical. Engineers work by commission. Sometimes you get pairings or engineering teams that work with a producer/song writer for several albums. Other times not. It depends on how satisfied the client is with the 'appropriateness' of the engineer's touch. Likewise some pairings work more easily than others.
I have lost track of how many CDs I own with different engineers. Its not a big thing and if someone engineers their own tracks completely I would be a little skeptical about objective decisions in the mix.
For some styles of music thats almost irrelevant though so it works in some genres better than others. |
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| dj_kane |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Don't you get it! Cyrus here is the guy making the music. He can't expose his clients, they rely on his work man! |
:haha: i see secret service here ;)
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| substorm |
| Still cant see the fun in it!;) |
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| zenperson |
| There are some guys/girls out there who have really great ears for mixing tracks and mastering them that might be better than your on...So, it's definately a plus in some circumstances if you're trying to get your mix tighter and more intricately balanced... |
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| Ghost Raver |
| quote: | Originally posted by zenperson
There are some guys/girls out there who have really great ears for mixing tracks and mastering them that might be better than your on...So, it's definately a plus in some circumstances if you're trying to get your mix tighter and more intricately balanced... |
True. But for me, I just want to do it myself, even if the song sucks big time. I'm not going to say it's lame or anything to let someone else do the work for you though, let everybody do as they like. |
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| StanVoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by zenperson
There are some guys/girls out there who have really great ears for mixing tracks and mastering them that might be better than your on...So, it's definately a plus in some circumstances if you're trying to get your mix tighter and more intricately balanced... |
are you cereal? :wtf: |
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| substorm |
| Yes maybe, but its expensive, and no fun. Maybe if i would make a living on producing and made loads of cash and had not got the time to do it my self. :) |
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| zenperson |
| Any good engineer recognizes that there are ultimately better engineers than themselves... I even know of BT sending stuff to be mastered by someone other than himself. Not every engineer is good at every bit of engineering... There's no shame outsourcing elements of your composition as long as it's what you want in the end ;) |
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| pixxxan |
Heys guys i think ure getting it wrong here! An electronic artist is a musician and due the nature of the music, he must have enough knowledge to mix , eq, add effects etc. but that doesnt makes him an engineer!!! a musician task ends with the MIXDOWN!! a musician is not the one who masters the track or Post-production, thats what an audio engineer does. Musicians can do their own masters but its not the standard.Its absolutely respectable for another person to master ur track, that doesnt make u a bad musician. if any of u have sent tracks to labels u might have noticed they ask for no mastering, limiting normalizing whatsoever, just the rough mix..
Other people composing for "Artists" is a whole other issue, kind of a milli vanilli thing.
Composing is not producing and producing is not mastering! |
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| zodiac9 |
I read that Tiesto has a classical composer help him refine the melodies and song ideas he comes up with. Since Tiesto has no musical training or background whatsoever, I have no problem with this. If I understand what you all are saying here, he gets pro sound engineers to help him out too. I would guess that would be for the technical aspect of production, EQing, mastering, ect.
It's so odd to me that music artists in the EDM world are called "producers". I come from the rock and metal scene, and in that world if you play music you are called a musician. You aren't at all expected to produce and engineer your own tracks, you get someone else to do that. So to me, it's not at all unusual for a composer/arranger, A.K.A a song writer, to have help when it comes to production, mixing, sound engineering, ect. I see nothing wrong with a musician concentrating on just the music.
I do realize though, that quite a few EDM artists do every part of their productions by themselves. This is impressive, honestly, and I have mad respect for those ones. For most of us though, having the outside help would allow us to concentrate souly on the musical side of it. Not to mention that a pro audio engineer can do a lot better job of it most of the time. |
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| optik |
I consider myself a musicaian and producer; I am not the best engineer though.
I'd consider getting my stuff mastered by an engineer, but at the moment I do the whole lot mysef.
except vinyl mastering - thats a completely different thing. |
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