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Differences between old and new trance (pg. 2)
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_kane
have i missed something here? when did i mention out of the blue?
id say more along the lines of age of love - age of love |
you sure are very confusing. You said:
"my opinions of trance appear from 95 onwards."
I took Out of the blue just as an example because it's from post 95 era. |
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| paranoik0 |
| Age of Love is from 1990(!) |
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| dj_kane |
| yea i was thinking of the re-released version in 1997 |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_kane
yea i was thinking of the re-released version in 1997 |
the original from 1990 is actually very trancy as well. not to mention Jam & Spoons 1992 remix. |
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| Psionic |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
seriously this has been discussed several times on this forum.
but I'll add another one:
In the old trance there is a much more hypnotic aspect which you very rarely find in the modern day trance (at least not in the epic trance). |
Agreed, I'd even go as far as saying older trance had a little more psychadelic aspect to it than it does now (thinking of Oakie's EM World Tour in particular). God I miss it :( |
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| dj_kane |
| yea it is but i still feel it has the 80s electronica feel to it still. the watch out for stella mix updated the sounds which i prefer. |
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| paranoik0 |
for those who don't know very well the history of trance and might be a bit confused, here's a fast summary (not saying this is the most accurate report of the truth, just my view on things from the knowledge i think i've gathered):
1980s - some odd tracks that don't sound too far off from trance but never really got branded at the time as from the "trance" genre. basically pre-historical influences.
1990 - trance starts in Germany. the sound is hypnotic, repetitive, originary from techno. ocasionally features acid synths (tb303).
around 1994-1996 - trance becomes a bit less hypnotic, this new style gets branded as "progressive" (not exactly what is called progressive today), some people abandon the whole thing
1998-1999 - the biggest revolution or transformation of them all. Ferry Corsten comes in with huge breakdowns and lead sounds and epic trance is born. Sells a lot of compilations in 1999. DJs start becoming superstars. The original sound of trance is pretty much replaced by this new style.
2002-2003 - Epic trance is still the main thing going on, but this is pretty much a turning point. Up until here everybody tried to extend epic as further as they could by making bigger breakdowns, longer melodies. From here on things start getting a bit closer to progressive house, tracks go softer, BPMs go slower, software synths take the place of hardware. Opinion of a good part of the fans is that it got stale.
2005-2006 - German techno/minimal labels try to label some more melodic sort of their music as "neotrance". Hasn't really catched on 100%, and doesn't have much to do with the rest of the trance scene.
(all of this ignores psy/goa as it is a field i don't really know much about) |
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| Spirit5 |
Okay I usually write long things but i'll keep this short.
Old trance, the really hypnotic stuff is fine for dancing to me. I'de actually rather dance to stuff like this in a club or festival, because there isn't long breakdowns and there is this energy. The same with a lot of that goa and psy stuff, because after all Goa goes back to the late 80s and early 90s and was some of the earliest trance music, and it typically didn't have long breakdowns, if any.
The new trance stuff, the epic and melodic stuff with breakdowns is fine for listening and dancing as well, as long as the set doesn't have one after another, which gets boring. I'de actually rather put on a really melodic trance set with some breakdowns while just chilling out, than some really fast paced, hypnotic stuff, because that would just bore me personally. But if a set can be both hypnotic and melodic and have some tracks with breakdowns, then that's great. Variety is important IMO. A lot of the stuff i've been into this year, like in my sig, is both melodic and hypnotic, with some breakdowns that sound different than in epic trance and aren't abused either. It's not full on stuff really, but does have enough energy for dancing, and enough melody for listening (because I prefer listening to melodic music). |
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| dj_kane |
how about this: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| Trance-MB |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
By "old" trance I mean the stuff that was coming out ten to twenty years ago; "new" is anything from 1997/8 or so and after.
1. Breakdowns: New trance has long ones, often two in the same song, old trance has none at all or maybe one to two short (under thirty seconds) ones.
3. Vocals: Newer trance is often much more centered around vocals, and the lyrics of vocal songs tend to have the flow and subject matter of a pop song.
Any others you can think of? |
In general you are right I think, but it's not strange there are long breakdowns.
A friend of mine who's producing for over ten years loved the long breakdown in CM's Dream Universe. Many trance producers probably also loved long intro's and breakdowns in the mid 90's like the long version of Right In The Night and Follow Me from Jam & Spoon.
I can imagine a cool intro and breakdown make it more interesting for a producer.
The addition of vocals came very slowly. Many track also are nice without vocals. I don't think trance is really much more centered around vocals, but think producers learned to combine them better. Next to that it was a trend which blew over from Happy Hardcore and Eurodance.
There even are some trance classics which got vocals much later and even got better (in my view).
Also one of the things which got much more attention is the bassline, maybe because melodies are longer.
But maybe I'm also off.
By the way, that friend of mine now has a track at the new Tunnel Goes Ibiza Vol 5:
Embracing Sunlight - Lisaya / Thomas Peterson
Lisaya is that friend of mine, Fifth Entity was his previous name.
http://shop.jazzecho.de/detailanz/p...t?prid=487941 |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_kane
how about this: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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that video is from 1993 i believe, and fits the "old trance" description the thread starter was talking about
edit: typo, "trance starter" :haha: |
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| dj_kane |
| yea although trance now isnt like it used to be, you have to move with the times. genres will progress forever and so will trance. nothing you can do apart from move with it. if you make tracks like years ago nobody wants to play them. |
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