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Israel battling terrorists abroad and celebrating them at home... (pg. 2)
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| Yoepus |
Not that I am condoing this attack.
But it always bothers me a little when people are trying to compare you "every-day ol' terrorism :P" with "arab fantical terrorism".
The difference I really see is in the first people really just want to get a message a cross or impact a government's decision in one way or another.
In the second those terrorist are willing to die (suicide style) to take out as many innocent lives to make as big an impact as possible. The key difference here is the Arab terrorist is so fanatical they won't just plant a bomb and run, no they will carry them bomb on them and blow themselves up because terror is more important than their lives.
That is all:happy2: |
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| George Smiley |
Riiiiiiiiight, so the Irgun are better than Hamas etc cos they planted bombs and ran, rather than killed themselves? :confused:
What difference does it make? And suicide bombing isn't confined to Islamists... |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Riiiiiiiiight, so the Irgun are better than Hamas etc cos they planted bombs and ran, rather than killed themselves? :confused: |
that wasn't what Yoepus said.
the Irgun members who planted the bomb didn't just ran, they called to the hotel and said they planted the bomb in order to create panic (i.e. 'send' their message) and to avoid the killing of the hotel occupants.
although it wasn't right what they did, they didn't do it in order to kill. |
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| Temperate |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
the French called the Algerians terrorists in their fight for independence |
Charles de gaulle is a murderer. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
the Irgun members who planted the bomb didn't just ran, they called to the hotel and said they planted the bomb in order to create panic (i.e. 'send' their message) and to avoid the killing of the hotel occupants.
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| quote: | | Mr McDonald and Dr Jenkins denied that the British had been warned |
Could we reach a consensus on this matter? :p |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Riiiiiiiiight, so the Irgun are better than Hamas etc cos they planted bombs and ran, rather than killed themselves? :confused:
What difference does it make? And suicide bombing isn't confined to Islamists... |
I didn't say they are right, I just said their is a difference, and although slight, I think it is noteworthy. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
that wasn't what Yoepus said.
the Irgun members who planted the bomb didn't just ran, they called to the hotel and said they planted the bomb in order to create panic (i.e. 'send' their message) and to avoid the killing of the hotel occupants.
although it wasn't right what they did, they didn't do it in order to kill. |
Echoing what Lira said, its the Israelis that say there was a warning, according to the British there was no such warning...
As for what Yoepus said...my point is what's the difference? According to the British version of events, the Irgun deliberatley set out to kill whoever they could, its just that the Jewish bombers happened to make sure they survived it............
And if we wanna dig deeper into Israel's terrorist past we don't need just to consider this disputed event do we? There's plenty of terrorism that noone can deny in Israel's past... |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Echoing what Lira said, its the Israelis that say there was a warning, according to the British there was no such warning...
As for what Yoepus said...my point is what's the difference? According to the British version of events, the Irgun deliberatley set out to kill whoever they could, its just that the Jewish bombers happened to make sure they survived it............ |
so? you choose to believe to the british side, I choose to believe to our side.
| quote: | | Ms Agassi waited across the street until her brother rushed out. She said that she then made the warning call to the British command in the hotel. |
| quote: | | . . .Warning phone calls had been made to the hotel, the Palestine Post and the French Consulate, urging the hotel's occupants to leave immediately. |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
And if we wanna dig deeper into Israel's terrorist past we don't need just to consider this disputed event do we? There's plenty of terrorism that noone can deny in Israel's past... |
I think that almost every country had terrorists in its past. besides, that's a different issue :p |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
so? you choose to believe to the british side, I choose to believe to our side. |
Why do you think the hotel was not evacuated?
| quote: | | I think that almost every country had terrorists in its past. besides, that's a different issue :p |
We're talking about a country founded on the exact same kind of terrorist attacks as it is now fighting against (and celebrating them) |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Why do you think the hotel was not evacuated? |
| quote: | For years, former members of Irgun claimed that the British did know about the attack and that warnings had been sent. For years the British denied that this was true. However, in 1979 evidence was presented to the House of Commons in London that Britain had received a credible warning. A former British Army officer based at the hotel admitted that he had heard other officers joking about a threat that had been made to the hotel. In later years, when Menachem Begin had moved into legitimate politics, he claimed that Irgun had sent a warning directly to the hotel but the person who sent the warning was told:
"We don't take orders from the Jews." |
http://www.historylearningsite.co.u...david_hotel.htm
| quote: | On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews." As a result, when the bombs exploded, the casualty toll was high: a total of 91 killed and 45 injured. Among the casualties were 15 Jews. Few people in the hotel proper were injured by the blast.
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For decades the British denied they had been warned. In 1979, however, a member of the British Parliament introduced evidence that the Irgun had indeed issued the warning. He offered the testimony of a British officer who heard other officers in the King David Hotel bar joking about a Zionist threat to the headquarters. The officer who overheard the conversation immediately left the hotel and survived. |
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...King_David.html
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
We're talking about a country founded on the exact same kind of terrorist attacks as it is now fighting against (and celebrating them) |
that was a different situation than today's. back then the brits ruled this area as a mandate, it wasn't their country. nowadays Israel (the country) fights terrorists who try to destroy it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
It dosn't make it any more or less violent. They still blew up a building you ing idiots.
Jews = Terrorists
Muslims = Terrorists
Both = a thorn in the worlds side. |
You might want to add virtually every group/nation to that list. |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Start with the worst first and then see if things calm down. |
so, basically what you're saying is that all jews and all muslims should be murdered, because all of them are terrorists?
I must say I haven't came across such brilliance in a looong time. |
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