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Longterm Solution For Iran - Split Up The Country As Was Done In Yugoslavia (pg. 2)
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| the sinner |
Oke! My apologies for the offensive attitude! Didn't meant to get rude, just got carried away! But I can't stand these kind of ideas!!!
anyway...:happy2: :happy2: :) |
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| CHRles |
I think there's a difference between why the average Iranian citizen supports Iran's desire to become a nuclear power versus the Iranian government's intentions.
The Iranian citizens remember the Iran-Iraq war in which Sadam Hussein and his Iraqui regime used unconventional weapons, ie chemical weapons on innocent Iranians, while the Iranian government showed restraint and didn't stoop to Sadam's level.
Later though in the early 90s when Sadam fired Skad missiles at Israel during the first Gulf war he refrained from sending chemical warfare. That is most likely due to the fact that Israel is a nuclear power and Iraq is not. I'm suspecting that the average Iranian citizen feels that if Iran had nuclear capabilities Sadam wouldn't have been so careless as to use such weapons on Iran.
The problem, and this is a worst case scenario, is the Iranian government, and many of its religious leaders, are very ambitious and want to acquire nuclear weapons for a different purpose - they want to impose a fanatical Shiite Muslim religion on the entire Middle East. The threat is that once Iran gets a hold of such weapons it will launch them on Israel, and I mean on all of Israel. If you really think Iran cares about the Palestinians you are sorely mistaken - Iran has trained the Palestinians to become a country of suicide bombers. Iran's current regime would have no problem killing everyone in Israel (including those living in Gaza, Jerusalem, and the West Bank) for their greater cause. They know all of their Arab neighbors would panic and immediately give into any Iranian demands that might follow. This is why you're already seeing Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE condemning Hizbollah (an Iranian proxy).
And whose to say if Iran gets nuclear weapons that it wouldn't send a few of them to their proxies in Lebanon, to the new government in Somalia, or to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I've noticed that most of the pro-Iranian supporters on this forum live in the US. Guess what - if Iran aquires nuclear capability then Austin isn't safe, New York isn't safe, and so on. We'll all be under a big threat b/c they'll use terrorist organizations to carry out these attacks. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Actually, the US is not a melting pot. A melting pot is when all cultures gather together and not form separate neighborhoods. The US is a toss salad and that is what the majority of socialogists believe too.
In short, US no melting pot. |
It may be no real melting pot but it's most certainly more mixed than a lot of other "liberal" countries ;) |
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| venomX |
| All that comes to mind from your split theory is Palestine/Israel. Seriously splitting countries into parts doesnt solve anything, it only adds fuel to the fires that are already burning. I know quite a few iranians, some of them are 100% expats, some came recently from iran, and from what i understand there are no significant tensions between the persian/kurd/turkish population in the country so i really dont see the logic in splitting the country into two. And regarding the 'iran with nukes would bomb the US', i have to disagree, if they are striving to actually get a-bombs, which is the major supposition here, and it is not for a nuclear energy program (which could obviously be a hoax), then it would still not make sense for them to bomb the states, it would be more reasonable from any point of view to keep them as a deterrent as has been argued here many times. |
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| CHRles |
Finally, someone whose actually willing to debate this with me intelligently. Thanks Venomx, even if Idon't agree with what you said at least you've written a nice thought out response. I hope you're correct in your assumption of Iran.
I've started this thread as a way to see what possible solutions should be taken IF Iran does attack, or if there will be enough evidence to show that Iran is planning some massive attacks. Anyone and everyone is encouraged to post their feelings and fears on this situation from both sides, and to suggest what type of solutions are at the world's hands. |
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| Lover Boy |
| I wish the US would go back to it's isolationist policies of the past, leave the world alone ffs. |
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| CHRles |
| Loverboy, isn't that kind of hard for the US to do in a post 9/11 world? |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lover Boy
I wish the US would go back to it's isolationist policies of the past, leave the world alone ffs. |
Yes and no will be the answer you will get from people.
Which one is it really I cannot say.
But I do know that right after the conflict started between Lebanon and Isreal a lot of people and foreign governements were angry because the US was not saying/doing anything at first.
So you're angry when they act too fast .... yet you're also angry when they act too slow?
Which one is it? :haha: |
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| benni |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
So you're angry when they act too fast .... yet you're also angry when they act too slow?
Which one is it? :haha: |
both :rolleyes: this is a really stupid argument |
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| Lover Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Loverboy, isn't that kind of hard for the US to do in a post 9/11 world? |
The Muslim world hates America for it's involvement in other's affairs. You leave the middle east and stop spreading your own brand of culture there and they won't bother you again.
Realistically you can't leave right now, but you can try and slowly scale things back. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Its pretty much the same in many places as far as I'm aware.. you have a militantly enforced republic oligarchy based democracy.
You have the basis of culturally acceptable acts, and state control mechanisms.
Essentially in Iran or the US or most nations/countries you have a baseline militant functionalism.
Iran has a semblance of a democratic system much like the US. As far as culture and politics, sadly not everyone always fits on a specific side of the law, and if that involves physical acts, where there is response based in violence, then obviously you may draw the notion of a conflict.
First off though I think for any group it is perhaps left up to that group to decide what is best for them, plebecite, referendum etc.. and when you have other countries / groups dictating it for them, it is not truely about that original group.. but rather about the larger body and if that original group doesn't have equal and full powers in the process it is nothing more then an act.
There is only one real soverieng state regardless, it is just nation cultures and political parties that obscure the baseline sociocultural and environmental "waveflux" or motion that is ongoing.
There are some that do not like anyone one awpect of where they are emersed, as for anything in regard to an issue of another political entity, I personally say help those that would like to go away from a crisis, or empower them to raise there own voice; however, opressing one person for another is no better then one person opressing another, imo.
Of course if talking likeness and the best option for you.. the choices become quite clear.
Honestly the best option is a new arab state but generally there is a stronger "republic" movement globally. Essentially the global push to weaken large bodies while keeping trade active and capable, but having different "regional" interests, in any other capacities.
I honestly feel no threat from Iranians, and I have no been asked by an Iranian for help. As far as I'm concerned it isn't any of my business, while that may seem shallow and vien, why ruin someone thinking you are helping? If you don't know why do it? If it feels right then whatever, but being mindful as to go to war to "save people" from conflict is ludicrous as far as I'm concerned. It seems contrary, but as history shows, murder and death "to stop potential greater death and destruction" is often touted by those who went to war to stop the potential of "greater" death and estruction. although I see no evidence it did.. I see no evidence it didn't and so the story goes.. "we did the right thing" |
Dude im sorry to say your post is much ado about nothing :p. Seriously i cant figure out what you mean except at the end 'Leave iran alone, its just a pretense to take them over'. I wouldn't have said anything but i was so amazed at the redundancy in your post! :wtf: |
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