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Pictures you WONT see in the media ...
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| KrazyDJs |
| We can post the same pictures of children when suicide bombers attacked us, and use the :rolleyes: smiley, and add a sentence like "But they stole our land"... |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Israel should not exist, nor should Palestine, it is to hot a territory. The land should be evacuated from all permanent residents and made an international zone that belongs to no one group. |
That's called a utopia. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
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I've seen pictures like this in the US mainstream media. Maybe they aren't splattered everywhere because many people sicken at the sight, but they're still being shown here, from both sides of the war.
We didn't even see lots of graphic pics like this from 9/11 (which killed 10x the number of people in the WTC in one day as this 10 day war has caused already). It's just something that makes people too offended to watch over and over, thus cutting into viewership numbers and subsequently, money. |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
In the end its always the Jew to blame because they are the ones occupying a country. |
not again...........
I will write this sentence once: there was no 'country' prior to the state of Israel in this exact region. hence, Israel is not occupying a country.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
I gurantee you that if it were the other way around the Jews would be just as violent in their tactics. |
that's the thing, it couldn't have been the other way around because the arabs didn't accept the UN 1947 partition plan.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Israel should not exist, nor should Palestine, it is to hot a territory. The land should be evacuated from all permanent residents and made an international zone that belongs to no one group. |
where do you live? do you want your country to stop existing, and make it an international zone?
then mind your own business. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
where do you live? do you want your country to stop existing, and make it an international zone?
then mind your own business. |
Actually he wants this:
Cascadia
Yeah .... utopia. |
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| KrazyDJs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
In the end its always the Jew to blame because they are the ones occupying a country.
I gurantee you that if it were the other way around the Jews would be just as violent in their tactics.
Not that I condone suicide bombing civies, or even radical islam (I felt much more compassion for the Palenstian cause when it was much more of a political/nationalist movement than it was a religious movement) but the Jews are the ones occupying. As long as they occupy that land then there will be strife.
Israel should not exist, nor should Palestine, it is to hot a territory. The land should be evacuated from all permanent residents and made an international zone that belongs to no one group. |
Well, why blame us? The British mandate didn't went well here, so blame them for not imposing orders and rules and defining both countries. Or blame the Arabs that were "occupied", and didn't wanted to have peace, and still don't want.
About the "Israel should not exist..." part, I support (obviously) Ronk's comment. Whenever, If, you have the "chance" to be in our shoes, tell me if you'd want to see comments like that, and even think about agreeing with them.
I know you can have your opinions, and I'm very happy you even have ones about the situation, but don't throw solutions that aren't realistic nor logical (imo)
Even the people you can see in "ogvh5150" post in here , that protest against this war, won't agree with you. they'll want peace or coexistence. |
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| KrazyDJs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Well in another thread it mentions you guys are celebrating the bombing of the King David Hotel. That sounds like YOU didn't want the British there to impose order and rule now did you?
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Well, our "wants" didn't really matter. We fought for our freedom (at that stage, the British were more pro-Palestine), just like the Arabs fought it when the British acted in a pro-Israeli matters. When there was NO country, just a land where a foreign government rule.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
On the issue of being in your shoes... As much as I love the region that I live in, I know that it holds no significant value to those outside of the region beyond economics. Your land is the center point for three of the largest religions in the world. It is too "hot" for any one group to control it. That is why I think Israel should be disolved and no nation should take its place.
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So, we can vanish all the countries that create nukes, no? N. Korea now is a "hot spot", also Iran, and Iraq was also in the same situation before the US invaded.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Allowing people to live there would be fine but it should be under the rule of a non-religiously aligned government that is controlled from some larger global body (probably the UN).
The basic idea is that none of you deserve this land, the actions of both sides over the last 2000 years have proven that no one can peacefuly claim it as their own.
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Again, realistically talking...It just won't happen. If both sides would want peace, and no extremists and fanatic parties will ruin the peace talks, we could have both countries living happily ever after :) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Israel should not exist, nor should Palestine, it is to hot a territory. The land should be evacuated from all permanent residents and made an international zone that belongs to no one group. |
Well Israel and the PLO have agreed that Israel and Palestine can coexist, and I believe the political branch of Hamas was coming close to agreeing with Fatah (PLO) over recognising Israel (which, imo, the military branch of Hamas opposed so kidnapped that soldier) So there is no reason why Israel "should not exist" and even if Hamas never agree to recognising Israel that's still no reason to say it shouldn't exist. Sure you can say in 1949 it was ill conceived to establish the state of Israel but it is irrelevent today cos Israel does exist and that cannot be changed, nor should it |
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| KrazyDJs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Well then the PLO/Hamas is doing the same thing now then right? They are fighting for their freedom? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
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That's why I wrote ...When there was NO country, just a land where a foreign government rule...
They have their own territory, they have been given the opportunity to have democratic elections. The reason the PLO\Hamas keep fighting, is because they want ALL of the land, with no existence of Israel. That's not fighting for freedom, that's wanting to demolish a race, a country.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Being that it is so religiously centered it is in the hearts of a lot more people than conflicts such as Iran and Iraq and North Korea. Yes, those might be troublesome issues now, but left to their own devices they would not affect the rest of the world, and for those that have issues with the outside world there are simple solutions (nuke'm, invade, or bargin to a point that BOTH sides can agree on).
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You keep on bringing up the religious point, but at the end they would still want the land if we were Christians. It's more of an historic war accompanied with religious matters, that's true, but it's not the problem, because you can see that we have Muslims and Christians live in Israel (Jerusalem, Jaffa, Akko, Haifa...), and some of them can get along just fine with jews. I worked last summer with people who believe in different things that I do, and maybe disagree with me about my political thought, but still, they won't go to war with me because my religion.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
But it is obvious both sides have radical grousp with much influence that do not want coexistance. I think 2000 years is enough time for some people to settle a fight, at somepoint the rest of the world needs to step in and shut it down.
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Radical groups in Israel are being ignored most of the time, but radical is also a point of view thing. You can't just say for a fact that we were "fighting" for this land for 2000 years. And again, this is an unrealistically solution, the world won't and can't step in and shut it down, like we can't do it anywhere. |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
There was a fairly unique and culture that existed as a society in the region. The Jewish occupation destroyed that. |
do you know what is that 'jewish occupation'?
do you even know the history of this place? like which event led to another, what are the reasons behind Israel War of Independence?
do you really think, that at some point in history, all jews suddenly wanted to come to Israel to settle here?
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...158#post6456012
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...159#post6456690
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=43#post6462010 (note that I've omitted subjects and events that weren't that important for my point.)
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
I was saying if the Muslims were the ones persecuted and then felt bad for by the rest of the world and Jews were then kicked out of their "home land" they would be just as radically violent as the Palestinians. |
you can't know this for sure. the jews who lived here before Israel's independence accepted to share this land. the arabs didn't accept.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
I live in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. I believe we are superior to the rest of the United States. I would LOVE for this area to cease to be part of the US. |
good for you. |
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| Lover Boy |
| You've missed the point of the post. Israeli girls write messages on shells which kill innocent people. How can any Israeli say they are not fanatic if they think that this is right? |
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