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Someone please define "techno" for me. (pg. 4)
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| woscar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
I already said he's a decent DJ :)
Those singles have got little to do with anything Picotto does as a techno DJ, though. Plus I don't agree on the 'marking an era' part, but again, that's me. |
OK, I think I went a little overboard with the "marking an era" thing, but they were pretty big in those days. Specially here in my country. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
just as much as it can sound like this |
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| harriz |
| Unlike trance that sounds like it was prefabricated to soundtrack some bad 16-bit video game back in the mid nineties, techno (short for technology) is an art-form that evokes strong spiritual feeling! |
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| Whirloop |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Unlike trance that sounds like it was prefabricated to soundtrack some bad 16-bit video game back in the mid nineties, techno (short for technology) is an art-form that evokes strong spiritual feeling! |
that's just so true! |
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| Phate89 |
Trance is the most emotional genre. It can make you cry, make you shout, make you cheer, and make you celebrate absolutely nothing short of pure, ecstatic bliss.
When i listen to trance i feel like it takes me to a different world, where every song has its own story to tell, and which the imagination in your mind creates a movie of the song...
Trance is my high. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Unlike trance that sounds like it was prefabricated to soundtrack some bad 16-bit video game back in the mid nineties, techno (short for technology) is an art-form that evokes strong spiritual feeling! |
So a really emotional, beautiful tracks like Hydra's "Affinty (Thrillseekers Dub)", Corderoy's "Sweetest Dreams (Ferry Corsten Remix)" or Kalafut & Fygle's "3579 KM", or Mark Otten's "Mushroom Therapy (Lightscape Mix)" or "Tranquility" wouldn't give you a spiritual feeling? To me, the really euphoric, melodic and beautiful trance and progressive has much more of a spiritual feeling in it than what is commonly thought of as techno. To me it's just too mechanical (techno). Sure there's probably lots of melodic techno tracks out there too, but these trance tracks (and many others) just really have it and are highly artistic. I dunno if your being sarcastic or what..
I agree with Phate89, but seems like a lot of the trance released this year lacks this feeling and soul that it used to have, even a year ago. I don't hate techno, but I wouldn't say it evokes as many strong feelings as trance does, and I don't think that is techno's purpose. It's more about pushing technology for experimentation or making highly danceable music for clubs, festivals, raves etc. I think trance has become more than this, it's not as experimental or rhythmic, beat-based music as techno is, as trance relies more off of melodic, compositional structures (well the epic and progressive sides of it does). |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Unlike trance that sounds like it was prefabricated to soundtrack some bad 16-bit video game back in the mid nineties, techno (short for technology) is an art-form that evokes strong spiritual feeling! |
Is that a fact? |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Unlike trance that sounds like it was prefabricated to soundtrack some bad 16-bit video game back in the mid nineties, techno (short for technology) is an art-form that evokes strong spiritual feeling! |
Holy ! A maze of ironies. |
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
Holy ! A maze of ironies. |
:haha: |
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
So a really emotional, beautiful tracks like Hydra's "Affinty (Thrillseekers Dub)", Corderoy's "Sweetest Dreams (Ferry Corsten Remix)" or Kalafut & Fygle's "3579 KM", or Mark Otten's "Mushroom Therapy (Lightscape Mix)" or "Tranquility" wouldn't give you a spiritual feeling? To me, the really euphoric, melodic and beautiful trance and progressive has much more of a spiritual feeling in it than what is commonly thought of as techno. To me it's just too mechanical (techno). Sure there's probably lots of melodic techno tracks out there too, but these trance tracks (and many others) just really have it and are highly artistic. I dunno if your being sarcastic or what..
I agree with Phate89, but seems like a lot of the trance released this year lacks this feeling and soul that it used to have, even a year ago. |
Your 'trance was better a year ago' assumption is widely known in the dance world as Ishkurs nine month honeymoon effect.
The truth is that epic trance sucked a year ago it sucks now and it will suck a year from now.
| quote: | | I don't hate techno, but I wouldn't say it evokes as many strong feelings as trance does, and I don't think that is techno's purpose. It's more about pushing technology for experimentation or making highly danceable music for clubs, festivals, raves etc. I think trance has become more than this, it's not as experimental or rhythmic, beat-based music as techno is, as trance relies more off of melodic, compositional structures (well the epic and progressive sides of it does). |
Dont confuse spiritual feeling with cheep trills ;)
Unlike epic trance which is as artistic and original as sunday afternoon soap-operas, techno music is music for the thinking electronic music fan that has reason and reflection!
But lets be fair... there is great progressive house and trance out there... artists like... Luzon, Kosmas Epsilon, Yunus Guvenen, Pole Folder, Nathan Fake, Moshic, Max Graham e.c.t. but they will never sell anywhere near as much as the epic trance people do unless they license their tune for a Tie$to-brand compilation. ;)
To be honest with you I am happy trance exists.
Record stores sell Tie$to-brand products to your average 'Joe Bread-cracker' consumer, they make enough money to pay the bills and as a result of that we have a place to find quality electronic music on physical formats.
Quality music that is based on complex texture not little mediocre pop 'till I come' hooks!
Quality music that sounds 'too mechanical' to you...
Last I looked hard to find records had an entire section of their shop dedicated to Oakenfold-brand products... unbelievable... this guy is so special there that he has his own f*#$^!@n genre section!
Only in the Uk! |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by harriz
Your 'trance was better a year ago' assumption is widely known in the dance world as Ishkurs nine month honeymoon effect.
The truth is that epic trance sucked a year ago it sucks now and it will suck a year from now.
Dont confuse spiritual feeling with cheep trills ;)
Unlike epic trance which is as artistic and original as sunday afternoon soap-operas, techno music is music for the thinking electronic music fan that has reason and reflection!
But lets be fair... there is great progressive house and trance out there... artists like... Luzon, Kosmas Epsilon, Yunus Guvenen, Pole Folder, Nathan Fake, Moshic, Max Graham e.c.t. but they will never sell anywhere near as much as the epic trance people do unless they license their tune for a Tie$to-brand compilation. ;)
To be honest with you I am happy trance exists.
Record stores sell Tie$to-brand products to your average 'Joe Bread-cracker' consumer, they make enough money to pay the bills and as a result of that we have a place to find quality electronic music on physical formats.
Quality music that is based on complex texture not little mediocre pop 'till I come' hooks!
Quality music that sounds 'too mechanical' to you...
Last I looked hard to find records had an entire section of their shop dedicated to Oakenfold-brand products... unbelievable... this guy is so special there that he has his own f*#$^!@n genre section!
Only in the Uk! |
I concede that not all epic trance is good. But I am talking about the stuff with angelic voices, pianoes, guitars, euphoric melodies and almost new-age and tranquil qualities, not the over the top super-saw stuff. The tracks I listed aren't "huge" anthemic tracks. These tracks are beautiful, lush music among many others. They might not be the super-complex, thinking..intellectual stuff, rather they are for people like myself or others who are highly imaginative and are dreamers. We are people who like dreamy, emotional music, whether it's classical, soul, jazz, blues, rock, pop, ambient/downtempo, house or trance. This stuff isn't "pop till I come" stuff, it's beautiful, euphoric and melodic music. Feeling wise, it's not that much different than opera or classical or jazz, in it's use of melody and harmonics to create emotion. It's right brain music, and I mostly a right brain person. It's the whole idea to me about putting a human element inside technological music, rather than using technology to push limits with music..ie experimentation. I prefer warm, human sounding stuff yet with an ethereal quality to it (it dates back to when I, and I am sure other people on here, were into Enigma before we got into trance).
It's like Boards of Canada in your sig vs. Ulrich Schnauss. Boards of Canada is more experimental, more subtle and more technological, they appeal to people like you who like that kind of stuff. Ulrich Schnauss' music on the other hand is imaginative, melodic and dream like, with a spiritual and ethereal quality to it. Ulrich stuff can be experimental too, but the use of melody to convey this can't be denied. Listen to "Nobody's Home" by Ulrich, and tell me that doesn't strike a chord with you emotionally. It's the same with lush and beautiful trance music, not the huge cheesy anthems your making the stuff I like out to be (I used to be big into them for a few years, but not anymore). I'm into all of the progressive stuff your talking about as well (though I look for the deep, melodic stuff vs. the really rhythmic stuff), heck it's what I spin now and look for on Beatport, but also beautiful, melodic music period. |
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| harriz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I concede that not all epic trance is good. But I am talking about the stuff with angelic voices, pianoes, guitars, euphoric melodies and almost new-age and tranquil qualities, not the over the top super-saw stuff. The tracks I listed aren't "huge" anthemic tracks. These tracks are beautiful, lush music among many others. They might not be the super-complex, thinking..intellectual stuff, rather they are for people like myself or others who are highly imaginative and are dreamers. We are people who like dreamy, emotional music, whether it's classical, soul, jazz, blues, rock, pop, ambient/downtempo, house or trance. This stuff isn't "pop till I come" stuff, it's beautiful, euphoric and melodic music. . It's right brain music, and I mostly a right brain person. It's the whole idea to me about putting a human element inside technological music, rather than using technology to push limits with music..ie experimentation. I prefer warm, human sounding stuff yet with an ethereal quality to it (it dates back to when I, and I am sure other people on here, were into Enigma before we got into trance).
It's like Boards of Canada in your sig vs. Ulrich Schnauss. Boards of Canada is more experimental, more subtle and more technological, they appeal to people like you who like that kind of stuff. Ulrich Schnauss' music on the other hand is imaginative, melodic and dream like, with a spiritual and ethereal quality to it. Ulrich stuff can be experimental too, but the use of melody to convey this can't be denied. Listen to "Nobody's Home" by Ulrich, and tell me that doesn't strike a chord with you emotionally. It's the same with lush and beautiful trance music, not the huge cheesy anthems your making the stuff I like out to be (I used to be big into them for a few years, but not anymore). I'm into all of the progressive stuff your talking about as well (though I look for the deep, melodic stuff vs. the really rhythmic stuff), heck it's what I spin now and look for on Beatport, but also beautiful, melodic music period. |
Yes Boards of Canada and Ulrich Schnauss make great music.
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Feeling wise, it's not that much different than opera or classical or jazz, in it's use of melody and harmonics to create emotion |
I dont think you can get away with the trance-classical comparison because trance is far to elementary to be compared to classical in my opinion. |
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