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Trance Scene in T.O. circa 1999 (pg. 4)
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| Truepioneer |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
totally agreed man ... i find that the scene today is very genre specific with not much cross over between the various styles of music at all. it also seems to have gotten to the point now where each style of music has formed its own cliques within the industry and doesn't seem open at sharing ideas or throwing shared events.
lol and thanks for the grading on the essay.. it was a total brain dump
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If anything I find the music more mixed together at clubs in Toronto over the past couple years compared to the 90s. It's much harder to find a pure techno/trance or breaks night now, in Toronto, than it was say 5 years ago.
Most clubs now seem to play more of a housey/proggy/techy and whatever else mix that doesnt seem to have a solid feel to it. |
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| sensorika |
| thats so sad the whole rave/edm scene met so much government resistance. If it didnt imagine how different the scene would be instead of dying down it wouldve got even bigger imagine that . |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Jay, can I call the cops to shut down Magna's Hoedown? Doesn't that night go out way late too? |
exactly what ive always thought every year they have that. Belinda can have her party as late as she wants... WTF? |
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| Jayx1 |
desidel: great post but some of the timelines are a bit off.
Guvernment was already hosting big name djs and mark was already playing a lot of (at the time) underground trance at guv as early as 97-98.
Also the dance culture in the world was at its peak during the 90s. It made a bit of a decline in the last 5 years as american influenced MTV Europe started polluting the new generation of europe with repeats of hip hop.
The problem is with toronto, most of the root cause of club/party demise is from the government. Its artificial. Just like it will be artiicial when they go after nightclubs (which they are now starting to do to appease the whiners)
Honestly, this is why im so adament about the government taking away our rights. Ive watched it over and over again and they always find something new to control in our life. Worse yet, they present it as something that is "for our own good". im sick and tired of it. |
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| patpicos |
I find totally stupid for the government and the city of TO to bash EDM and big events by forcing large amounts of effin cops to be present. There is less trouble at Rave events, concerts like Tiesto at the docks, etc etc than going to something like Slayer or other metal band...
on a non-electronic music matter, every year I go to Woodstock in Quebec (used to live 20mins away) www.woodstockenbeauce.qc.ca ....and 70,000+ people show up over the weekend Booze up, smoke up and drug up all u want in there.....and no harrassment from the cops(except when you leave). The amount of drugs and alchohol taken on that weekend is greater than any Rave events in TO.....and its not a problem!
There is not a single cop on the premises, only at the entrance and exits. At any given time you'll find less than 20 cops... The funny thing is that they know that people go there to smoke weed and have a weekend of peace and fun....and dont put lame anti-partying law....
EDM has been flagged and deemed evil :( Sucks for us party goers! |
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| _EuG_ |
| Wat was the dominating genre of EDM during there "Golden" rave days |
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| Jayx1 |
| its been like this for about 6 years now. but too many people have been asleep at the switch. INFORM YOURSELVES AND VOTE IN NOV!!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by _EuG_
Wat was the dominating genre of EDM during there "Golden" rave days |
house has always been the dominating force.
Other trends have come and gone but house has always been the main foundation to it all. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
desidel: great post but some of the timelines are a bit off.
Guvernment was already hosting big name djs and mark was already playing a lot of (at the time) underground trance at guv as early as 97-98.
Also the dance culture in the world was at its peak during the 90s. It made a bit of a decline in the last 5 years as american influenced MTV Europe started polluting the new generation of europe with repeats of hip hop.
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oh yeah without a doubt Mark was rocking it back in 97-98. He played a big part in the development of the scene having played at many underground parties importing a lot of the sound we hear today from Scotland. Though what I was trying to emphasize in my post was that I don't think that Spin Sat. really started to gain the noteriety it has today atleast until 2000-2001 when trance really started to get popular in the dance scene, largely due to its spread and accessibility over the internet. I remember seeing Tiesto there the first time he played at the Guv (this was a few months after the first RaveStar Wintergalactic), the club was half empty! What was even funnier is that we only paid the regular $10 cover to see him lol ..
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The problem is with toronto, most of the root cause of club/party demise is from the government. Its artificial. Just like it will be artiicial when they go after nightclubs (which they are now starting to do to appease the whiners)
Honestly, this is why im so adament about the government taking away our rights. Ive watched it over and over again and they always find something new to control in our life. Worse yet, they present it as something that is "for our own good". im sick and tired of it.
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The funny thing is that Toronto isn't the only city that's faced these types of problems in North America. We've all seen that video of the famous 'rave crackdown' in Utah. The sad thing is that why are we being compared to the likes of Utah to begin with? The Rave Act was passed in the US shortly after 9/11, yet laws there are beginning to be relaxed and we're seeing the emergence of many large scale events there again.
I truly believe that eventually the laws here will be amended allowing the city to re-establish many of the types of events that it once held but by then don't expect Toronto to be at the forefront of the dance culture scene in North America.
| quote: | Originally posted by devnull
I find totally stupid for the government and the city of TO to bash EDM and big events by forcing large amounts of effin cops to be present. There is less trouble at Rave events, concerts like Tiesto at the docks, etc etc than going to something like Slayer or other metal band...
on a non-electronic music matter, every year I go to Woodstock in Quebec (used to live 20mins away) www.woodstockenbeauce.qc.ca ....and 70,000+ people show up over the weekend Booze up, smoke up and drug up all u want in there.....and no harrassment from the cops(except when you leave). The amount of drugs and alchohol taken on that weekend is greater than any Rave events in TO.....and its not a problem!
There is not a single cop on the premises, only at the entrance and exits. At any given time you'll find less than 20 cops... The funny thing is that they know that people go there to smoke weed and have a weekend of peace and fun....and dont put lame anti-partying law....
EDM has been flagged and deemed evil :( Sucks for us party goers! |
if i had to sum it up with 2 reasons, it'd be..
1. The scene's association with designer drugs.
2. The fact that electronic music still has not fully crossed over into mainstream culture in North America and therefore does not hold the same legitimacy or have the same level of corporate sponsorship as other types of music like Rap, Top40, and Alternative.
By large, it's still a very misunderstood genre of music and scene and general. It is growing, and getting more popular each year, but there's still a long way to go.
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| Bassi77 |
| Desidel, that was such a GOOD read. You taught us new party goers so much. The EDM scene will bounce back again under the right conditions. Its just a matter of time and hopefully it happens soon, before I become 40 years old and too old to party. |
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| Jayx1 |
i hope that we can get a mainstream presence for dance music again like there was in most of the 90s. That was a huge key ingredient.
Lets hope stations like 246 and energy 105 can influence new listeners like energy 108, global groove and CFNY used to do in the 90s. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i hope that we can get a mainstream presence for dance music again like there was in most of the 90s. That was a huge key ingredient.
Lets hope stations like 246 and energy 105 can influence new listeners like energy 108, global groove and CFNY used to do in the 90s. |
well 246 seems to play nothing but house for the moment. there seemed to be so much more variety when it came to dance and electronic music back then.
i really hope that some of these stations start taking on a different formula soon ..
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