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Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Off The Map?
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| habsfan |
This for all those people who keep trying to justify nuking Iran because he threatened to "Wipe Israel off the map".
| quote: | Does Iran's President wants Israel wiped off the map?
To raze Israel to the ground, to batter down, to destroy, to annihilate, to liquidate, to erase Israel, to wipe it off the map - this is what Iran's President demanded - at least this is what we read about or heard of at the end of October 2005. Spreading the news was very effective. This is a declaration of war they said. Obviously government and media were at one with their indignation. It goes around the world.
But let's take a closer look at what Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said. It is a merit of the 'New York Times' that they placed the complete speech at our disposal. Here's an excerpt from the publication dated 2005-10-30:
"They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan. Let's take a step back. [[[We had a hostile regime in this country which was undemocratic, armed to the teeth and, with SAVAK, its security apparatus of SAVAK [the intelligence bureau of the Shah of Iran's government] watched everyone. An environment of terror existed.]]] When our dear Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Iranian revolution] said that the regime must be removed, many of those who claimed to be politically well-informed said it was not possible. All the corrupt governments were in support of the regime when Imam Khomeini started his movement. [[[All the Western and Eastern countries supported the regime even after the massacre of September 7 [1978] ]]] and said the removal of the regime was not possible. But our people resisted and it is 27 years now that we have survived without a regime dependent on the United States. The tyranny of the East and the West over the world should have to end, but weak people who can see only what lies in front of them cannot believe this. Who would believe that one day we could witness the collapse of the Eastern Empire? But we could watch its fall in our lifetime. And it collapsed in a way that we have to refer to libraries because no trace of it is left. Imam [Khomeini] said Saddam must go and he said he would grow weaker than anyone could imagine. Now you see the man who spoke with such arrogance ten years ago that one would have thought he was immortal, is being tried in his own country in handcuffs and shackles [[[by those who he believed supported him and with whose backing he committed his crimes]]]. Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world."
(source: www.nytimes.com, based on a publication of 'Iranian Students News Agency' (ISNA) -- insertions by the New York Times in squared brackets -- passages in triple squared brackets will be left blank in the MEMRI version printed below)
It's becoming clear. The statements of the Iranian President have been reflected by the media in a manipulated way. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| Would said they want to nuke Iran? :conf: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| I suspected as much. Now it's confirmed. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| @ trancaholic: Still think we (in the West) have a 'free' press? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
@ trancaholic: Still think we (in the West) have a 'free' press? |
I don't think there's any doubt about the Western MSM's agenda; they're a bunch of idiots. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I don't think there's any doubt about the Western MSM's agenda; they're a bunch of idiots. |
More like a bunch of propagandists. You have to dig through it to find any truth (to whatever extent). |
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| Shakka |
| Who ever said Iran should be nuked? I thought the argument was that Iran should not be allowed to develop nukes. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| ^^^ This administration, at the very least, considered it. |
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| George Smiley |
I've just posted this on the other thread and I suppose it really belongs here...(re: What Iran's goal really is imo)
Imo, Iran wants what Saddam wanted. A sphere of influence in the Middle East. Power and influence. With dominance of the Middle East would come enourmous influence in the world stage. However, any country in the world that operates under a different ideology/political system to Liberal Democracy is under threat from America (PNAC's own words). Iraq, Syria and Iran were/are all under threat from neoconservative "democratisation" (ie regime change). Iraq had been the neocon target for well over a decade and as soon as they got their chance, they took Saddam out (under the guise of the war on terror). Iran knows it is next (find me someone who disagrees!). However, Iran finds itself in a good position. With American forces stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran knows it is safe for the time being. As soon as Iraq becomes stable enough for American military personel to be completely pulled out they will go straight into Iran (hence, imo, Iran's meddling in Iraq). The only way for Iran to prevent this is with a nuclear deterrent (see North Korea). Bare in mind what I think Iran's aim is (Middle Eastern dominance, which = power and influence on the global stage). And then consider what the result of a nuclear strike on Israel would be. Israel (and quite possibly America) would launch a second strike, completely annhilating Iran, and therefore ending any Iranian desires to dominate the Middle East (or convert the world to Islam if you believe that crap). A nuclear Iran would be quite capable of dominating the Middle East without battering an eyelid at Israel's existance. For the purpose of controlling the Middle East (oil supplies), Israel is insignificant.
Iran's leader is certainly a cocky little , but he is anything but "crazy" and he knows that making anti-Israel rhetoric is a great way to curry favour with the rest of the Middle Eastern populance (which in turn would make his ambitions to be the Middle Eastern 'superpower' that much more easier)
That's my opinion anyway: Iran wants nuclear weapons to ward of the inevitable US invasion and to gain control over the Middle East |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Who ever said Iran should be nuked? I thought the argument was that Iran should not be allowed to develop nukes. |
I think the OP might have just been refering to an invasion (like Iraq) for regime change etc |
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| habsfan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Would said they want to nuke Iran? :conf: |
Sorry, I am also on a military forum and half of those guys are talking about nuclear tactics against Iran...
Wtvr, I am starting to realize just how powerful the media is in shaping people's views. It seemed as though the majority of people on this board believed the president of Iran wanted to completely destroy Israel. Why? Because he was "quoted" saying so.
Which leads to the question, who controls our media?
CNN.....................Time-Warner
ABC.....................Walt-Disney
NBC.....................General Electric
CBS.....................Viacom |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
However, Iran finds itself in a good position. With American forces stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran knows it is safe for the time being. As soon as Iraq becomes stable enough for American military personel to be completely pulled out they will go straight into Iran (hence, imo, Iran's meddling in Iraq). |
Which is why I'm of the opinon that Israel's recent war with Lebanon may serve as a means to pull Iran and Syria into the conflict; a proxy war for the PNAC team. What do you think? |
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