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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
Foley huh? i dare ya. what do you know about Foley that hasn't been needlessly shoved down the throats of every single American that watches any channel on TV in this country that we don't already give two s about? spill it jackass. i'd like to hear the scoop. |
Well gee, monger, I just posted one that pertains to a fellow GOPer in my own district, Jim Ryun, running like hell away from his own connections to the guy while caught up in his own lies. Kindly go back and read that one if you will.
And the balls only gonna keep rolling on this issue for you guys as it picks up more steam going downhill. There's already other Congressmen being implicated in page problems to which I posted earlier. It really is quite strange and perverted, especially coming from a party such as your that holds that "moral authority" so high and mighty with all those values voters.
| quote: | | you feckless assclowns have over-reached your "absolute moral authority" on that one a month ago and shouldn't parade it around anymore like Chris Matthews on a prom date with Bill Clinton. |
Oh I never claimed us libruls have any "absolute moral authority", man. No way. We're all up in each others skirts, peaking thru little boys rooms, playing with underage kids and their little penis', running around smearing our opposition on how corrupt their morals are while we divorce our 5th wives,
oh wait, I'm sorry that's YOU guys, not us! Dang, how silly of me to get us confused! |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Christ Opus--I can't believe you're defending that . |
What's to defend? It's a ing ficticious writing on the crazy during Vietnam war. Get over it already.
| quote: | | Not to mention the ole bait & switch to distract from the fact that Webb might be the most perverse of all of the pervs we've seen from both parties so far. That is just ing disgusting. Seriously. |
Bait and switch? How many times did you guys bait and switch over the involving Allen's racist commentary and swipes for Christ's sakes? Talk about ing character. Let's take the outlandish hypothetical worse case scenario here and compare the lesser of two evils - who would you want in office: a white supremist or a pervert? Who's more detrimental to the people of Virginia?
Granted, that's a bit off the cuff, but seriously. You've got fictious pervous writing versus racist commentary. What the kind of comparison are you attempting to create here?
| quote: | | But if you're comfortable with the guy babysitting your kids... |
Let's talk about character for a moment, shall we? To Webb's credit, he hasn't paraded around his medals like Kerry did. Regardless:
| quote: | ames Webb for U.S. Senate
The Virginian-Pilot
© October 27, 2006
Last updated: 5:09 PM
Over the past few months, Virginians have started to get to know James Webb.
There are still gaps in that knowledge, but on two of the most essential ingredients for a U.S. senator - character and intellect - the record is clear.
Webb has an abundance of both.
Witness the fact that you have seen no pictures of Webb with his son, Jimmy, as the 24-year-old Marine lance corporal deployed for Iraq last month. That's because Webb would not allow any. Or the fact that nowhere on his campaign Web site will you find the citation (reprinted below) for extraordinary bravery that accompanied the Navy Cross awarded him for "courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty" in Vietnam.
Or even the simple fact that during a statewide, televised debate last month, Webb rejected an easy opportunity to bash incumbent Sen. George Allen over perceived racial insensitivities. "I think this issue has been discussed ad nauseam," Webb said, before changing the subject.
As for intellect, very little that is canned or formulaic makes its way into Webb's speeches or conversation. For better and occasionally worse, his answers appear to have been concocted in his own head, not during some poll-driven strategy session in Washington, D.C.
Personal understanding of cultural forces in the Middle East and an innate skepticism governed Webb's courageous decision to speak out against the war in Iraq before it ever began. He took that once-lonely view long before events proved him right.
How much better if the nation had listened when Webb wrote in September 2002: "The issue before us is not simply whether the United States should end the regime of Saddam Hussein, but whether we as a nation are prepared to physically occupy territory in the Middle East for the next 30 to 50 years.
"Those who are pushing for a unilateral war in Iraq know full well that there is no exit strategy if we invade and stay."
Now, again correctly, he promotes a diplomacy-based solution as the best, fragile hope of extracting the nation from a bloody quagmire and restoring some semblance of order to Iraq. A serious student of history and world affairs, Webb time and again displays a deep understanding of political and military realities in global hot spots.
On some other issues - globalization of the economy comes quickly to mind - Webb is less clear-eyed. But even there, it is hard to quarrel with his fundamental premise that great societies are built from the bottom up, not the other way around.
An author and former Navy secretary who has never run for political office, Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-Democrat Webb had the audacity to take on a man who, until recently, has been one of the most popular political figures in Virginia. Republican Allen, who is seeking his second term, served as a state legislator, congressman and governor before rising to his current post.
Aggressive and visionary as governor, he accomplished far more than most, eliminating parole, demanding work for welfare, improving juvenile justice and enacting standards-based reform in public education.
In Washington, however, Allen's original contributions have been slight. Instead of thinking for himself, he has served as an amplifier for Bush administration talking points not only on Iraq, but on policies that cut taxes and ballooned public debt; nibbled at the edges on a health-insurance crisis; and embraced prisoner detention and domestic surveillance policies that imperil fundamental American values. Most disappointing, he has become a big government spender.
Astonishingly, the Iraq War does not even show up among the 21 issues discussed by Allen on his Web site. Maybe that's because Allen has little of value to say. Only under extreme political pressure in the last few weeks has he veered at all from the Bush orthodoxy that the U.S. must pursue an undefined "victory" at any cost.
Allen deserves to be called to account also for an ugly episode in which he scorned a young Webb campaign worker whose Asian-Indian heritage set him apart from a southwest Virginia crowd. Implausibly, Allen said he made up the word "macaca," which happens to be an ethnic slur in some cultures.
But even if he did, the exclusionary message of what came next is unmistakable. "Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia," Allen said. Despite Allen's apology, there's no place for such chauvinistic instincts in the nation's increasingly multicultural society.
Webb also showed a chauvinistic streak when it came to women in military command posts three decades ago. He has since made up for that myopia with his actions as Navy secretary and as an undersecretary of defense during the Reagan administration.
On the campaign trail, Webb has been a different kind of candidate, stiffer than the affable Allen, still figuring out his positions on certain domestic issues. What shines through his inexperience as a campaigner, however, is a sophisticated grasp of the military and foreign policy issues that now dominate the national agenda.
The United States faces threats as daunting as any in its history: international terrorism, militant Islamic fundamentalism in Iran and elsewhere, nuclear adventurism in North Korea and the chaos in Iraq. To Senate debates on those matters, Webb would add a wise and principled voice.
That is the type of candidate that legions of voters, fed up with partisan political scripts, say they want. James Webb promises to be the kind of public servant and leader Virginia and the nation now need.
http://content.hamptonroads.com/sto...3302&ran=153446 |
That endorsement is not from a librul newspaper. Consider their endorsement of Republican GOP ass-kisser Thelma Drake as well.
More on how Webb earned his Navy Cross:
| quote: | ames Webb's Navy Cross
The Virginian-Pilot
© October 27, 2006
Last updated: 5:10 PM
Editor's note: The Navy Cross is the nation's second-highest award for bravery in facing an enemy. James Webb has refused to use it in his campaign. We are publishing it with our endorsement of him because we believe it testifies to his character.
The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam.
On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out.
Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers.
Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel.
Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade.
Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body.
Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker.
By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.
http://content.hamptonroads.com/sto...13303&ran=33810 |
Of course we'll probably be seeing some Smear Boating tactics coming quick and soon (less than 2 weeks, get on it boys!), but I think his character and his stance on issues speak pretty well for themselves.
Then again, once again you GOPers are proving how little you want to discuss those issues and instead bait everyone on your cute tactics of moral bankruptcy and perversion (to which you guys seemingly know quite a lot about!). I guess I can't blame you. Desparate times call for desparate measures:
| quote: | PEW RESEARCH (COMPLETED 10/22)
Pew released today, but completed their poll over the weekend. Among likely voters, they find little good news for the GOP. President Bush's approval ratings lie at 38% (53% disapproval), while the generic congressional ballot gives the Democrats an 11-point edge (50-39).
DIAGEO-HOTLINE (COMPLETED 10/23)
The Diageo-Hotline poll has an interesting phenomenon that has grown pretty common in this election year. Among LIKELY voters, the generic edge for Democrats is larger than it is for REGISTERED VOTERS. Here are the numbers for likely voters: Bush job approval at 40% (59% disapproval), and the generic ballot at an all-time high for the Democrats in this poll: 18 points (52-34).
FOX NEWS (COMPLETED 10/25)
Finished on Wednesday, Fox News (perhaps not surprisingly) is the most favorable for the GOP. But it would be a real stretch to call it favorable. Bush's job approval rests at 40% (53% disapproval), which is unchanged since two weeks ago. The generic ballot creeps out a couple of points, as Democrats move into double digits in this poll as well, with an 11-point lead (49-38).
AP/AOL (COMPLETED 10/25)
The numbers from Ipsos, which are distributed by the AP and AOL, show the bleakest numbers for the GOP. The Bush job approval is down to 37%, with a rather stout 61% voicing their disapproval. Among likely voters, the generic ballot test is now a Democrat lead of 19 points (56-37).
For the four polls released today, we see an average Bush job approval of 38.8% (better...but not good), and an average Democratic lead in the generic ballot test of 14.8% (51.8%-37.0%). Again, this is among LIKELY voters. |
Keep at it, guys! You might just save the Senate after all. Of course, it continues to speak volumes about your own character on your tactics of doing so rather than discuss the issues and policies at hand, but that really hasn't stopped you much over the past 6 years anyway..... |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
not that we are unable to find any nuance in incest:rolleyes:, there is no context because the content is so completely outrageous that even in fact, it was fiction, this is not the kind of fiction Virginian voters want their Senators thinking about much less writing about. |
It's funny how you GOPers who hold the moral authority flag so high and wave it so vigorously seem to think you can tell Virginians along with everyone else how perverse and disgusting your opposition is, esp. when fun little stories like these break out with less than 2 weeks away from the election. If that doesn't speak a bit about desperation in of itself, I don't know what does.
Regardless, how many more underaged boys are you going to behind the curtains? How many more acts of incest, acts of adultery and divorce shall you partake in while pointing your authoritarian accusatory finger at everyone else? It would be laughable if it wasn't so ing sad. I'm sorry that a ficticious book has got you all riled up, but the hypocricy can only carry your asses so far.
| quote: | what about McCain?
he'll never be President BTW. |
Hey, I'm not much of a fan of him either, and I do completely understand you guys distancing yourself away from him in the same manner as you belittled and smeared him in the 2000 primary by calling him insane from his Vietnam experience. Who would want an actual war veteran in office anyway? Especially from a guy who endorses the same book from a guy in the opposite party?
I don't blame you at all. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
HEY MSM! LOOK! AN ARTICULATE, GOOD LOOKING, DOWN TO EARTH BLACK MAN IS RUNNING FOR SENATOR! WHO IS THIS GUY? |
Hey guys, LOOK! Take a look at that guy representing some 2% of the African American Republican voting block! LOOK! LOOK! Give 'em hell, 2%ers! Woohoo!!! |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
What's to defend? It's a ing ficticious writing on the crazy during Vietnam war. Get over it already. |
It may not be illegal, but it's sick as . And if it doesn't make your stomach turn in the slightest, I say you're a wee bit off kilter. There are obviously sickos and pervs on both sides of the aisle as we've all found out about so conveniently ahead of the elections. But the least you can do is call a spade a spade and recognize that this isn't your run-of-the-mill "fictitious writing". It's ing sick and perverted. It's OK to hang Foley out to dry (it's fine with me honestly--he's sick too), but this isn't the slightest bit unsettling to you? Can your wife slice a banana into four equal parts with her vagina muscles? I mean what is the basis for that? Where do those ideas come from? They make movies about sick like that and you don't normally see the antagonist running for public office. George Allen may have allegedly said '******,' but Webb's sick and twisted mind is more unsettling in my opinion and if it ends up with the typical "lesser of two evils" outcome, this Virginia race is a lost cause for the Dems. People aren't ever that surprised to hear "******" and "GOP" in the same sentence, but this is pure ing vomit on the hood of my car on a sweltering summer day after I've drank about 15 Beast Lights and a few dozen hot wings. That is some sick my friend.
| quote: | | Bait and switch? How many times did you guys bait and switch over the involving Allen's racist commentary and swipes for Christ's sakes? Talk about ing character. Let's take the outlandish hypothetical worse case scenario here and compare the lesser of two evils - who would you want in office: a white supremist or a pervert? Who's more detrimental to the people of Virginia? |
I think I Just addressed this above. Are people really that surprised to hear of a white supremacist GOP member? Hell, we've been told that's what we are for years. Hillary gets to point it out with no reprocussions, using it as a tool when she compares congress to a plantation. Never mind you've got your own Robert "KKK" Byrd in West Virginia. I think the pervert is more detrimental to Virginia. If it were Massachussetts or Vermont, maybe I'd re-evaluate, but Virginia? no.
| quote: | | Granted, that's a bit off the cuff, but seriously. You've got fictious pervous writing versus racist commentary. What the kind of comparison are you attempting to create here? |
Again--this isn't just "run-of-the-mill" "middle-of-the-road" fiction. These are original thoughts and if you don't find it disturbing, I am disturbed. Did you read all of the quotes in the other thread? This isn't just one perverted book. I'd venture to say you could almost call him a serial perv. Those original thoughts come from a twisted mind. If this is what the guy thinks and dreams about at night, I'll take the racist instead. Our children are our future. Don't with that. That's why the backlash against Foley was so strong. Be a little more equal-handed why dontcha.
| quote: | | Let's talk about character for a moment, shall we? To Webb's credit, he hasn't paraded around his medals like Kerry did. Regardless: |
Irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking about Webb/Allen and the Virginia senate race--not the biggest disappointment to the Democratic party.
| quote: | | Then again, once again you GOPers are proving how little you want to discuss those issues and instead bait everyone on your cute tactics of moral bankruptcy and perversion (to which you guys seemingly know quite a lot about!). I guess I can't blame you. Desparate times call for desparate measures: |
He who cast the first stone...Both sides are engaged in this morally repugnant campaign behavior. They've been doing this on Air America for months now. The GOP seems to be late to the party.
| quote: | | Keep at it, guys! You might just save the Senate after all. Of course, it continues to speak volumes about your own character on your tactics of doing so rather than discuss the issues and policies at hand, but that really hasn't stopped you much over the past 6 years anyway..... |
Ditto. Though I still think the Dems take the senate, but you guys better be careful not to blow it with land mines like this!;) |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
It's funny how you GOPers who hold the moral authority flag so high and wave it so vigorously seem to think you can tell Virginians along with everyone else how perverse and disgusting your opposition is, esp.
I don't blame you at all. |
hey hey hey now mister, don't confuse all GOPers with the ing fundies that seem to hold the GOP in its grasp at the moment. Today's GOP is not my GOP of yesterday. Its not the GOP of my grandparents or my parents, BUSH and his stupid arrogant ass holes he has as yes men are not my GOP. Yes we will take a loss this year, but soon we will rise as the GOP of old. |
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| Whats all this "we" bull talk. It drive me up a wall how people talk about Dems and Reps like they are their favorite sports team, following them with blind loyalty. It boggles my ing mind and makes me sick every time these political debates heat up. Laz, you did make a decent point to start off though, as I agree when people now start blasting Republicans, they don't realize they aren't bashing what was the long standing (and successful) Republican image. They are blasting this bastard child off-shoot that has arisen since Bush took office. So, for the love of christ can we not over generalize either side, or at least expect all participents of each party to be mindless drones of a singular goal of whichever party they belong to. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
It may not be illegal, but it's sick as . And if it doesn't make your stomach turn in the slightest, I say you're a wee bit off kilter. |
Of course it makes my stomach turn. And guess what? I'm willing to bet THAT WAS THE WHOLE ING POINT OF THOSE PASSAGES!. Demonstrating the sickness and depravity of war - it's quite a ed up concept. You find that problematic? Then perhaps you yourself should think about that the next time this ing president gets us all involved in an unprovoked war similar to Vietnam. War is hell, and again my point is this is something that the little bully Allen knows nothing about whatsoever.
Really, who are you trying to kid here? Being shocked about the passages is EXACTLY his point in writing about them. But somehow it's okay for you to turn this around and believe that he is just "so sick" and "insane" enough to write these things down as if he enjoys them in his own mind? What the kind of commentary is that? So everything a fiction writer puts down in his book is somehow a characteristic of his own beliefs? So the writer of "Silence of the Lambs" should have much to answer to, especially if he runs for Congress then, right? How about Joseph Conrad? Elie Wiesel? Granted these stories are nonfiction, but Webb's stories were based on accounts of nonfiction too. Shall we Mr. Wiesel how ed up his mind truly is?
Enough of this out of context bull. This wreaks of absolute desparation to which you even agreed to here. You demonstrate any similar tone of desparation on Webb's campaign, anything REMOTELY similar in comparison, and perhaps your point about it being equal on both sides might have some merit. I'd be interested to see this however, because from what I've mostly seen on Webb is he has been attacking Allen on issues and staying away from the controversial discriminatory material.
Of course Allen agreed to keep things positive. Take a look at his ad here:
| quote: | negative personal attacks and baseless allegations have also pulled us away from what you expect and deserve....
...I'm confident that if this Senate race is decided on issues, ideas and my proven record of performance, you'll allow me to continue serving you.
http://election.nationaljournal.com.../1006vasen2.htm |
That was back at the beginning of October. My how things change quickly for your racist boy. Right after that ad, the Allen campaign released an ad featuring a woman who claimed to have been misquoted by Jim Webb in the famous article of 27 years ago, even though the woman's name is not in the article, nor could she point to any specific item in the article ostensibly offered by her. Ever since then the Allen campaign has been bemoaning for weeks about these selective quotes from Webb's book, only to finally have their little bitch media whore ally, Drudge, paint it on his site. One has to wonder who's on Allen's campaign group that calls for such smears. Hmmm, let's see:
Chris LaCivita - where have I seen that name before? Oh yeah:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...=Chris_LaCivita
Good ol' Smear Boaters, strikes again!
Dick Wadhams? Damn, rather unfortunate name, but it also does ring a bell:
| quote: | Republican Sen. Conrad Burns of Montana, for example, nearly blew his re-election chances in 2000 when he called Arabs "ragheads."* Instead of featuring candidate speeches or press conferences, Wadhams understands that controlling the message starts with making sure you don't hand ammunition to the opposition, so he deluges reporters with written press releases and phones them himself, sometimes as many as five times a day.
Another way to control a campaign is to shape its news coverage, and Wadhams found a new way to do that for the Thune campaign. South Dakota Republicans had long accused the Sioux Falls Argus Leader, the state's most influential paper, of being pro-Daschle. When two bloggers, Jason Van Beek and Jon Lauck, began cataloguing alleged acts of bias like lack of criticism of Linda Daschle's lobbying practice, Wadhams hired them as campaign researchers. Wadhams insists he wasn't underwriting the bloggers' online enterprises. But Van Beek and Lauck didn't disclose that the Thune campaign was cutting them checks. And they succeeded in aiding Thune: The assistant managing editor of the Argus Leader admitted that the paper's coverage had been affected by the online criticism, implicitly acknowledging that it was tougher on Daschle in the Thune race than it had been in the past.
http://www.slate.com/id/2120558/ |
Scott Howell? Say, that wouldn't be yet another racist who made that racist attack ad against Ford in Tennessee, would it?
Jesus, Shakka. Enough already. We've seen one too many Swift Boating attacks by your GOP boys as it is, and when it resorts to that again you really have to question why the you're scraping the bottom of the barrel AGAIN. They've been trying to go after Allen's war record someway and somehow for months now, and instead of being able to pull a Kerry on him (to which they couldn't even muster), they come around the backside and attack his novel based on events seen in war instead.
Get a new tactic for once, perhaps one that actually addresses the issues at hand, and perhaps it might be worth discussing further. Jesus.
| quote: | | There are obviously sickos and pervs on both sides of the aisle as we've all found out about so conveniently ahead of the elections. But the least you can do is call a spade a spade and recognize that this isn't your run-of-the-mill "fictitious writing". It's ing sick and perverted. |
Again, I believe that was the point, was it not? I admit I haven't read the novel - have you? Have you put the entire novel into context to understand the rationale for such writing in the first place? Perhaps if you did that, then you might, just might understand the author's reason for depicting such horrors.
| quote: | | It's OK to hang Foley out to dry (it's fine with me honestly--he's sick too), but this isn't the slightest bit unsettling to you? |
Let me see if I get your comparison straight here, Shakka.
1. Foley has a fully documented obsession with teenage boys. He has a wife and two kids, and represents a party that frowns upon homosexual behavior. Second, there are reports of serious cover-up by your own party of his behavior for years.
2. A candidate for the Senate has a book out that actually HAS been out in public for years on his experiences of the horrors of war, only to have selected passages out of context being shown NOW 2 weeks out before the election.
Again, let's also keep in mind that #1 is nonfiction where the person in question was ACTUALLY ING INVOLVED, whereas #2 the person was depicting a ficticious story on true events he had heard and witnessed during war.
That's a worthy comparison?
Oh, perhaps you mean the comparison between Foley's acts themselves? Well I hate to burst your bubble, but my main problem with Foley was not so much of his affection to the same sex, but his blatant hypocricy within his own party as well as the likely cover-up involved. Nice try, bub.
| quote: | | Can your wife slice a banana into four equal parts with her vagina muscles? |
Haven't asked her. We try to shy away from food in our private areas, but that's just our own personal tastes.:D.
| quote: | | They make movies about sick like that and you don't normally see the antagonist running for public office. |
Well one certainly tried to run for the President who saw and heard similar atrocities, but you Smear Boaters made quick work of that. So now we have 2 chickens in office instead who've never seen a day of war themselves first hand and have little ing clue as to those atrocities created by their actions of war.
| quote: | | George Allen may have allegedly said '******,' but Webb's sick and twisted mind is more unsettling in my opinion and if it ends up with the typical "lesser of two evils" outcome, this Virginia race is a lost cause for the Dems. People aren't ever that surprised to hear "******" and "GOP" in the same sentence, but this is pure ing vomit on the hood of my car on a sweltering summer day after I've drank about 15 Beast Lights and a few dozen hot wings. That is some sick my friend. |
Welcome to war. Perhaps you would like to reconsider invading another ing country unprovoked then? Or would you need to see things more up close and personal like Allen did?
| quote: | | I think I Just addressed this above. Are people really that surprised to hear of a white supremacist GOP member? Hell, we've been told that's what we are for years. |
And that supposedly makes things better about this head retaining his seat?
| quote: | | Hillary gets to point it out with no reprocussions, using it as a tool when she compares congress to a plantation. |
Oh the context never seems to come into grasp, does it?:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601190008
| quote: | | Never mind you've got your own Robert "KKK" Byrd in West Virginia. |
To which he repented, asked for forgiveness and has moved on to be one of the better supporters of civil rights since. Can the same truly be said about Allen?
| quote: | | I think the pervert is more detrimental to Virginia. If it were Massachussetts or Vermont, maybe I'd re-evaluate, but Virginia? no. |
You haven't done a very good job demonstrating any perverted behavior by Allen here? I'm afraid quote mining simply won't do.
| quote: | | Irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking about Webb/Allen and the Virginia senate race--not the biggest disappointment to the Democratic party. |
It's entirely relevant since we're discussing character here. You have attacked his character at will. Do I not have a similar ing right to defend his character? Jesus how ing hypocritical in one posting can you get?
| quote: | | He who cast the first stone...Both sides are engaged in this morally repugnant campaign behavior. They've been doing this on Air America for months now. The GOP seems to be late to the party. |
Again, demonstrate to me ONE piece to which the Webb campaign has resorted to such ridiculous smears in the same manner, and perhaps you might have a worthwhile argument.
| quote: | | Though I still think the Dems take the senate, but you guys better be careful not to blow it with land mines like this!;) |
Yeah, another Smear Boat tactic landmine. Go figure that we'd see this from you guys again.:rolleyes: |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
hey hey hey now mister, don't confuse all GOPers with the ing fundies that seem to hold the GOP in its grasp at the moment. Today's GOP is not my GOP of yesterday. Its not the GOP of my grandparents or my parents, BUSH and his stupid arrogant ass holes he has as yes men are not my GOP. Yes we will take a loss this year, but soon we will rise as the GOP of old. |
Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I still hold a number of views akin to my old Republican roots. I am from Wichita, Kansas, afterall :D. Whatever my attacks are on pertain to this bastardized version of the modern-day neocon/uberwingnut GOP, which I fully acknowledge doesn't even resemble true Republican values in the slightest. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Hey guys, LOOK! Take a look at that guy representing some 2% of the African American Republican voting block! LOOK! LOOK! Give 'em hell, 2%ers! Woohoo!!! |
man, you have really lost it this time around. and it's not just you.
i've been watching you guys slowly degenerate into madness over your own inabilities to connect with anyone who doesn't tow your party line of reject-the-President-at-all-costs meme. no one is safe from this derangement of policies. not mainstream blacks, not mainstream Hispanics, not even mainstream former Dems. it's astonishing.
whats about to happen next month should damn well better be yalls final wake up call for change. for changing the premise of your party. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Of course it makes my stomach turn. And guess what? I'm willing to bet THAT WAS THE WHOLE ING POINT OF THOSE PASSAGES!. Demonstrating the sickness and depravity of war - it's quite a ed up concept. You find that problematic? Then perhaps you yourself should think about that the next time this ing president gets us all involved in an unprovoked war similar to Vietnam. War is hell, and again my point is this is something that the little bully Allen knows nothing about whatsoever. |
Didn't take you long to defer to Bush. When all else fails, throw Dubya into the ring.
| quote: | | So the writer of "Silence of the Lambs" should have much to answer to, especially if he runs for Congress then, right? How about Joseph Conrad? Elie Wiesel? Granted these stories are nonfiction, but Webb's stories were based on accounts of nonfiction too. Shall we Mr. Wiesel how ed up his mind truly is? |
If it floats your boat, but to my knowledge none of those people ran for office. And I hardly see how Elie Wiesel's fiction is on par with some of the passages we just saw from Webb's books. Then again, I've only read Night so I can't speak to any of his other works. But again, I don't believe any of those people were running for public office. I never said their works were illegal, but I do believe they are rather insightful. I certainly never would've voted for a guy like Hunter S. Thompson had he ever chosen to run, and I'd likewise never vote for a guy like Larry Flynt. Public office is a different realm.
| quote: | | I'd be interested to see this however, because from what I've mostly seen on Webb is he has been attacking Allen on issues and staying away from the controversial discriminatory material. |
Please. The smear tactics are a two way street. Both sides have a problem of being able to dish it out but can't take it when the tables are turned.
| quote: | | Jesus, Shakka. Enough already. We've seen one too many Swift Boating attacks by your GOP boys as it is, and when it resorts to that again you really have to question why the you're scraping the bottom of the barrel AGAIN. |
Jesus. Still hung up on this? Believe it or not there are quite a few Vietnam vets who despise John Kerry for things he actually did and said during the war (Prior to any Swift Boat Veterans coming out and shaming him). A lot of the criticisms against him were actually quite valid. Especially in the context of running for the office of President amidst a war.
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again here. If I were voting in Virginia, I'd write in an independent. |
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