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i need help seperating string from lead synth
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| eee.ddd.y |
basically the higher frequencies are clashing with my string and lead synth during the break down..what i want to do is use sidechain compression so that the higher frequencies of the string will duck lower in volume whrn the lead synth play.
im using cubase so how do i duplicate the audio signal in it..its easy in reason because you can use the audio merger and splitter but how in cubase??
what compressor should i use too?i have waves and t racks.. |
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| DigiNut |
You know that the problem is that the frequencies are clashing, and you want to solve it with sidechained compression!? On a lead!? FFS, use EQ!
When all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail... |
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| eee.ddd.y |
| i know what your saying but ideally i would like it so that when the both are playing together just the high frequencies on one instrument ducks..then when there on their own they sound back to normal...using eq sidechaining someway..cant figure out how to multiply output signals though |
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| BOOsTER |
hmmm not that I think it's the best way...as Digi said, you should use EQ, but if you want to do it the way you've mentioned...maybe you could duplicate the signal by sending it to a send...
I do it that way in Ableton...you know when I need a copy of the track I just do a full send somewhere...and work it on the return...
hope it makes sense.. |
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| DigiNut |
The only way I could thing of to duck a certain frequency range (i.e. "EQ sidechaining") is to use two copies of the single and put a bandpass filter on one to narrow it to the specific range in question, then duck that copy. I guess that's kind of similar to what's sometimes done on vocals except that the copy is reverb, not bandpassed...
You *could* do that with sends, although the routing might get a little tricky. You'd probably have to have 3 group channels - one for the initial send, one for the sidechain, and another to hold the combined output.
You'd have to send to group channels, not FX tracks, because FX tracks can't be routed anywhere but the main out.
Or you could just bounce to audio - it's probably a lot easier that way. That's virtually always what's done in vocal processing.
Still - I'm telling you, you're going to get a much better mix using EQ properly than ducking strings off a lead. I'm not pulling any punches when I say that's a really bad idea almost all the time. Ducking strings off a kick or bass isn't the best idea, but off a lead... ew. |
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| mysticalninja |
Depends on the lead.. could be exactly what it needs and could give it an original unique sound..
Sidechaining IMO is the way to go for this because:
A) to make them fit with EQ you will have to weaken one of the sounds, probably the pad because im guessing its more dominate than the lead. (if your tracks are like mine).
B) will make the pad not so static, give it some movement.
oh and don't use waves SC make sure you get a stereo one. |
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| ASFSE |
| i agree with mysticalninja on this one for the simple fact that you could get a unique, possibly good sounding, result. also, using a mixture of the two could be a good way to go as well.(mixture of EQ and SC) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
A) to make them fit with EQ you will have to weaken one of the sounds |
Err, no, not really. Technically you might be thinning out the sound but the purpose of the exercise is to make them both clear, whereas if it's muddy then they might as well both be "weak". Proper EQ doesn't make anything perceptibly weaker to the listener, it makes every element of the mix sound much stronger (unless it's done for the express purpose of burying a sound).
Even if what you're saying were true in any meaningful sense, it doesn't mean that ducking is the answer. Mixing is an exercise in compromise, and heavy ducking is essentially a cop-out, a refusal to make the necessary compromises.
I know that a lot of amateur producers got very excited when the Benassi-style duck became the flavour of the month, because it was really easy to do and virtually eliminated the need to actually do any mixing (since all that duck effect is really doing is unmixing the sounds, making it so only one can really play at a time). Regardless, it's high time people realized that that sound is officially passé, and has been for about a year now.
Side-chained effects certainly have their place, but as supplements to a mix, not substitutes for it. |
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| mysticalninja |
Sorry Digi, but sidechaining is here to stay. Till the end of EDM.
And using sidechaining here is not a cop-out, it's not a replacment for EQ. It's a totally different effect EQ can't acomplish.
| quote: | | Proper EQ doesn't make anything perceptibly weaker to the listener. |
sure it does, cutting with EQ = frequency spectrum less filled = weaker. If you wanted to automate the EQ in once the lead started, then it might not be perceptivly weaker. |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
sure it does, cutting with EQ = frequency spectrum less filled = weaker. If you wanted to automate the EQ in once the lead started, then it might not be perceptivly weaker. |
if it does than you're prolly not as good with it...why would all profi mix/master engineers use subtractive EQing anyway? The idea behind subtractive EQing is to lower frequencies that are not too much perceptible...but still they occuppy a range which makes the sound muddy/hissy etc...
Though...using sidechain in a unique way certainly could give an interesting result...I would think the result will be messy...(though, maybe interesting!) |
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| eee.ddd.y |
| well could you please give a listen to the track and see what ye think..its in the music production promotion section and the thread is a synaesthesia remix... |
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| BOOsTER |
| linkzors or stfu :p |
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