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People who are ignorant of their "own" culture (pg. 4)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by bass drive
I was talking about the "racial" remark |
which one? the one about "italians" calling canadians "cakers?" or "non european?"
All i did was point out an event in history that was true.
In fact, the whole point of my thread was how i was pissed off at the racism behind those "european" comments. All i did was point out the truth of the whole affair and suddnely im the racist? |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by bass drive
I was talking about the "racial" remark |
??? What racial remark? Holy people, calm down with the racist card. Just because he said italians are "dark" doesn't mean he's being racist :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
??? What racial remark? Holy people, calm down with the racist card. Just because he said italians are "dark" doesn't mean he's being racist :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: |
exactly...
i guess i should say they are albino? WTF? |
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| bass drive |
lol relax loca
jay, I was talking about this
| quote: | | just pull out that map where it shows italy as part of the byzantine and ottoman empire and explain to them that they are dark because the byzantines raped their ancestors. |
I was just pointing out that this explanation is not accurate (for the most part)
the "racial" word was ment from an anthropological point of view. like sub "racial" divisions of Europe (Mediterranean, Nordic, Alpine...)
btw, I agree with you that what she said was very stupid ;) |
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| Wyndham |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
dumb? or things you don't happen to agree with?
there is a difference |
haha i know......i mean what i wrote |
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| Jayx1 |
aaaah well i do know that it is definately one of the explanations as to why they have darker skin. They (italians) have had many influences from africa and the middle east through successive invasions of their peninsula and subsequent invasions of their own empire into asia and africa. This is why most societies around the mediterreanean look very similar wheras europeans to the north are much lighter. Its also why northern africans are lighter skinned than their counterparts to the south.
The reason i point this out to those who claim they are "european" and that northern european are lesser european is because when talking about ancient blood lines, the exact opposite is true. And i find it to be a hilarious irony.
BTW id never ever claim in reality that an italian is any less european than a swede for example. Because we are talking about history, not present day life. But its just fun to point out this history to those who insist on insulting northern europeans with their ignorance. |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by bass drive
lol relax loca
jay, I was talking about this
I was just pointing out that this explanation is not accurate (for the most part)
the "racial" word was ment from an anthropological point of view. like sub "racial" divisions of Europe (Mediterranean, Nordic, Alpine...)
btw, I agree with you that what she said was very stupid ;) |
Ahh makes sense. Sorry for jumping on you like that but i'm so used to people pulling the racist card that I thought you meant he was being racist because he used the word "dark". Which would not surprise me at all considering some of the posts this forum has seen (anyone remember the "italian diving" racist incident? :stongue: :haha: ) |
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| Jayx1 |
| still waiting for 747's answer to the question i posed. |
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| loca |
| He's reading up on his "majour" :stongue: |
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| 7-4-7 |
Italians are not all dark - north vs. southern italians (light/dark)...look into that.
History is quite clear about how the southern Italians became dark.
I never used the term racist.
I am not Italian, my father is. I just happen to be interested in my fathers culture it interests me.
more than just the Byzantines came through Italy, and their affects are clear to this day.
however
Italy as Romania...emphasize Rome or Romanland, the history is clear...the actual state of Romania as we know it now is actually a derivative of the Greek speaking territory where the "Romaioi" lived.
Keeping mind that Italy was not an independant state until 1870, it was declared a Kingdom in 1861.
If I have missed something, go ahead ask again...cant be bothered to go through the nonsense of half the I am reading here. |
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| Flec |
if you have had a jewish mother, you are jewish
it doesnt matter where your from or how religious you are or even whether or not you are aware of your bloodline
so, how does that fit into your argument jay? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
Italians are not all dark - north vs. southern italians (light/dark)...look into that.
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never said they were. But compared to say a belgian, the italian country as a whole has a darker hue to the cmplexion.
| quote: | | History is quite clear about how the southern Italians became dark. |
yes, as i pointed out
| quote: | | I never used the term racist. |
no but you implied it.
| quote: | | I am not Italian, my father is. I just happen to be interested in my fathers culture it interests me. |
nothing wrong with that at all! I encourage it
| quote: | | more than just the Byzantines came through Italy, and their affects are clear to this day. |
Yes i know but they were definately one of the influences that gave italians a darker hue compared to belgians. And when i stated this you said i went "over the line"
So again i ask... how is citing a moment of history crossing the line? What line exactly? How is it offensive?
| quote: | | Italy as Romania...emphasize Rome or Romanland, the history is clear...the actual state of Romania as we know it now is actually a derivative of the Greek speaking territory where the "Romaioi" lived. |
hence why at one point the country was called Romania thus being the latin term for rome and romanland. Roma is the city and Romania was the country (empire)
| quote: | | Keeping mind that Italy was not an independant state until 1870, it was declared a Kingdom in 1861. |
yes but you would also know that "italia" was used to describe the peninsula as whole long before that.
| quote: | If I have missed something, go ahead ask again...cant be bothered to go through the nonsense of half the I am reading
here. |
you missed the answer to my question. |
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