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| Mikk |
Hey I thought this would be interesting to all you looking to upgrade your studio.
Experience your music beyond studio quality with this amazing new technology :D I especially love the bar graph clearly showing how it turns even your ty MP3's into supreme quality. And the demo's where you can hear the amazing results of their specralizers and other alien technologies for yourself. No need for expensive Apogee converters anymore. :stongue:
http://www.x-fi.com/whatis/
It's unbeliveable just how stupid the advertising can get.. :whip: |
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| RivalMan |
Once again, just evidence to the point that Creative is not for pros in anyway, but only someone who produces toys (at best).
Everybody just a bit serious about their music and sound should stay the hell away from them...
And on a side note: I seriously hope it doesn't become a trend to have DSP-effects built into the devices you listen to music from (for everyday use). Just what we need in this world - more compression ;-)
As if the radio stations weren't already doing everything in their power to kill dynamics in music...
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| Derivative |
The X-Fi is not a bad card. Mostly the same getup as the EMU 1212 minus the balanced inputs and a few other things.
However, Creative's marketing department really does live up to its name.
That 24-bit crystalliser stuff is ludicrous. |
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| Effero |
It's stated on the website that the Crystalizer makes the bass punchier, hats sharper and the mids untouched.
Well, if I wanted it that way, I'd mix the tracks accordingly or play with a built in eq with existing commercial music.
Creative supplies Mojo in a box...I call that snake oil. |
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| Derivative |
It isn't marketed at producers. It is marketed at people who play computer games on PC speakers, with no production tools and no idea what a transient compressor is or what it does. Thats basically what the Crystalliser is.
Its like Sony's Bass Boost - it makes people feel like they are getting better sound 'quality' without adding any extra technology or using more expensive components. Theres nothing wrong with that if all you do is use your PC & soundcard for is to play games and DVDs.
Just don't bother with it for music production. Luckily, Creative hasn't marketed the X-Fi towards us. |
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| Mikk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
It isn't marketed at producers. It is marketed at people who play computer games on PC speakers, with no production tools and no idea what a transient compressor is or what it does. Thats basically what the Crystalliser is.
Its like Sony's Bass Boost - it makes people feel like they are getting better sound 'quality' without adding any extra technology or using more expensive components. Theres nothing wrong with that if all you do is use your PC & soundcard for is to play games and DVDs.
Just don't bother with it for music production. Luckily, Creative hasn't marketed the X-Fi towards us. |
Yeah, I just thought the "better than studio quality", and the bar graphs were extremely funny.
You're right, It's clearly not marketed or intended for music production. But why would they even compare it with studio quality? And what is that anyway? I was just poking fun at their record-breakingly stupid marketing campaign. |
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| dEEkAy |
| quote: | Originally posted by RivalMan
Once again, just evidence to the point that Creative is not for pros in anyway, but only someone who produces toys (at best).
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Aye!
another typical TA Thread :toothless
Creative X-FI may be sufficient for you REASON(c)/FruityLoops-needs, but thats it.
The converters may be good giving you a linear output but hence that doesnt play an important role if your monitors are crap. |
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| Icone |
I got myself an X-Fi long time ago and in the long run even got to sell my Audiophile 192 for it because the X-Fi has a way more broader perspective of use (I don't "only" produce music to relax myself)...
I don't care at allabout the marketing, as long as the stuff works good it works good. The sound coming from my Behringer Truths is wonderful. It's not a bad card at all; with the right ASIO drivers I can get as much as I'd like :)
'Creative is not for pros' - I've got vinyl releases for a couple of years now with the bloody card; does that make me a pro? :rolleyes:
RivalMan: please post us your MUSIC created with that setup and show us you're a 'pro'. |
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| Mikk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Icone
I got myself an X-Fi long time ago and in the long run even got to sell my Audiophile 192 for it because the X-Fi has a way more broader perspective of use (I don't "only" produce music to relax myself)...
I don't care at allabout the marketing, as long as the stuff works good it works good. The sound coming from my Behringer Truths is wonderful. It's not a bad card at all; with the right ASIO drivers I can get as much as I'd like :)
'Creative is not for pros' - I've got vinyl releases for a couple of years now with the bloody card; does that make me a pro? :rolleyes:
RivalMan: please post us your MUSIC created with that setup and show us you're a 'pro'. |
Really, you're using that card? Wow, I guess it's not bad then. I love your work. :)
I just got a terrible first impression from their marketing, and that's what this thread was about. I haven't used the card myself so obviously I can't judge its quality. But that wasn't even the point here, I think you'd agree that the ad is hilarious? Shame on their marketing department. :clown: |
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| Allied Nations |
All of my work was done on a Audigy Pro, the first one they came out with- with the same drive bay inputs etc etc. It's not great, but it's done a great job and being that that's all I had, I can't complain at all.
Of course, nice equipment is always just that, nice- but it doesnt mean good music can't be created without crazy gear. |
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| Allied Nations |
| Also, the 5.1 sound was great for movies! |
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| RivalMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Icone
I don't care at allabout the marketing, as long as the stuff works good it works good. The sound coming from my Behringer Truths is wonderful. It's not a bad card at all; with the right ASIO drivers I can get as much as I'd like :)
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Behringer Thruths... :haha: That really says something. With those monitors, no wonder you don't worry about using the X-FI as your sound card :stongue: I am really not trying to be judgmental, but are you seriously claiming that the sound coming from those monitors is wonderful? Don't wanna critize them too much. They might work for you, but I have auditioned them a couple of times, and they certainly don't do it for me.
| quote: | 'Creative is not for pros' - I've got vinyl releases for a couple of years now with the bloody card; does that make me a pro? :rolleyes:
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Well, I guess so...my definition of "pro" in this perspective is someone who earns money on their work - and I guess you do. That makes my statement false. Sorry - I take it back. But I maintain that I do not consider this a sound card for people serious about the quality of their sound - pro or not. And I still would say that it's not for pro studios at least.
Unless you really produce - and mix - everything itb and even do bouncing itb - in that case you could use pretty much any sound card. And try going to a serious studio (rather than just a home project studio) and see if you can find anything with the name "Behringer" or "Creative" on it. I dare you...
| quote: | | RivalMan: please post us your MUSIC created with that setup and show us you're a 'pro'. |
I have never claimed to be a pro. Years ago I had a release and since then a couple of co-releases. But I wouldn't consider myself a pro in any way. Whatsmore, MY music certainly wouldn't by definition always sound better than something produced by another engineer with a sound card from Creative. A great producer can make music so much better using standard gear than a standard producer with great gear. And I wouldn't consider myself "great" - not yet at least :stongue: It's much more about the producer than about the gear.
However, I regularily do work at a highly pro studio and work with engineers and producers who certainly can be considered pros. I guess they share my view on the Creative stuff, but I don't mind asking them just to be sure... if it's really all that important. (In my opinion: it isn't). But to the point: A great producer will do better with great gear, than the same great producer will do with standard gear. And a "pro producer" (pro in the sense that he produces music as his main way of making a living) would likely not use stuff from Creative. At least, I've never met anyone who does. (Doesn't mean that they don't exist, though).
Don't get me wrong: Creative produces great "toys" - in the sense that you can use the card for allround use (as you stated yourself); gaming, surfing, playing mp3s as well... If you can't afford a better sound card, or for some reason don't want to spend the money on it: fine! It's a great thing that cheaper alternatives exist on the market. And a great producer could certainly make great music even with cards from creative.
But I actually care about the "sound" of the music I listen to and produce. And due to this I would for instance never consider listening to mp3-compressed files (unless it's the only possible source of the music and I really want to listen to that specific song) - and I would never listen to - or produce - anything using a low budget sound card with less than great converters. And I would certainly never - EVER - use Behringer monitors!
But my original comment wasn't so much about the actual card (which might in fact have decent converters), but more about the way the market it. Come on.... Even though everyone's free to ignore what the marketing department says, it DOES say something about who this card is targeted at (not pro producers) and how "serious" the company is. That's really my point here.
And yes, I am generalizing here. I'm aware of that. I do know of No 1 hit albums recorded and mixed on Behringer monitors and mixers - but I also know that in these cases the producer didn't really have a choice.
Now - Flame me, hate me, burn me!
Regards
EDIT: I just re-read my post and realized that I might come off as patronizing or arrogant. English is not my mother tonuge and any "provocation" is completely unintented. I do appreciate that everyone has their own favourite gear - and that it's not the same. I'm just stating that I don't like Behringer and Creative. |
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