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Michael Schumacher's Last Race (pg. 5)
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by 4-play
I wish I were there to see these races during the 70s and early 80s, minus incidents such as Pryce, Villeneuve, Lauda (thank god he got out alive), and the likes. People should not complain that F1 is 'too safe'. They learned from their mistakes. |
Me too. I would have loved to see races back in the 70's and 80's. There have been all too many lives cut short in F1, and it's a testament to the evolution of the technology that the severe injury/death rate has gone down so dramatically. Gordon Murray with the MP4-4 chassis can be credited with getting the safety ball rolling.
RIP Francois Cevert and Jochen Rindt as well.
Lauda's wreck at the Nurburgring was awful. Jody Scheckter was the first one on the scene and saved Lauda's life by pulling him out of the burning car. It's amazing that Lauda was back racing 4 races later!!
Formula 1, and motorsport as a whole, has a pretty gruesome and deadly past. Every driver on the road today can thank motorsport for making their cars safer.
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| Paulinho |
Schumacher=Overrated
Long live "IL DOTTORE" VALENTINO ROSSI...the true king of motorsport |
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| pmoisse |
I wouldn't say he's over-rated....
Rossi is a genius on a GP bike though |
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| Euphorica |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulinho
Schumacher=Overrated
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comments like these MAKE NO GAWD DAMN SENSE. how can he be over rated? HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW? he just had luck ALL those years and managed to pull wins out of his ass? |
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| Paulinho |
It's very hard to lose when you are put on the best machine's with the best mechanics...I'm sorry I said Scumacher=Overrated...What I should have said is F1=overrated.
MotoGP is the best motorsport on the planet period. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulinho
What I should have said is F1=overrated.
MotoGP is the best motorsport on the planet period. |
Hah! Both of those statements are completely baseless. At least provide some sort of a half-assed reason as to why that is true. |
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| Paulinho |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Hah! Both of those statements are completely baseless. At least provide some sort of a half-assed reason as to why that is true. |
You asked for a half-assed reason but I'll give you the full version.
In F1 the driver to car ratio is 80% to 20% driver's skills whereas in GP it's the other way around more like 80% rider to 20% bike. What Rossi has accomplished in GP Schumacher can't even be mentioned in the same sentence of greatness as Vale. Schumacher won championships because he was always in the best car. If you had put Schumacher in a BMW do still think he could have managed to be as successful...I think NOT.
Rossi broke into the premier class of motorcycle racing in 2000 on a Honda NSR500 at the tender age of 20. His first year on the 500 was a learning year he finished 2nd in the championship. 2001 comes along and the rest as they say is history. Rossi dominated the 2001 season and since then there hasn't been anybody in the field to knock Rossi off of his throne. Vale went on to win 2 more championships with the superior Honda. Since Honda was the dominant force in GP, Rossi left Honda for the lowly Yamaha (which only scored 1 podium the previous year). Vale wrote history by not only winning the 2004 season on the Yamaha but winning 13 races in that season. 2005 same story Rossi clinched the title with 5 races to go.
What I am saying is that F1 is boring...not enough overtaking not enough drama...In GP the rider is draped over the machine that goes just as fast as the F1 cars...they are not securely fastened inside the machine
I can go on and on but i think thats enough for now |
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| klago |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulinho
You asked for a half-assed reason but I'll give you the full version.
In F1 the driver to car ratio is 80% to 20% driver's skills whereas in GP it's the other way around more like 80% rider to 20% bike. What Rossi has accomplished in GP Schumacher can't even be mentioned in the same sentence of greatness as Vale. Schumacher won championships because he was always in the best car. If you had put Schumacher in a BMW do still think he could have managed to be as successful...I think NOT. |
Let me start of by saying I am the furthest thing from a Schumi fanboy, if you don't believe me, ask Dima or check the other tread.
Ummm does Benetton mean anything to you?
| quote: | | Source = Wikipedia During these two championship seasons, the Benetton was not the best car in the field; however, Schumacher's dominance of Formula One was such that he won 17 out of the 31 races and finished on the podium 21 times.[19] Only once did he qualify worse than fourth, which was at the 1995 Belgian Grand Prix, where he qualified 16th, but went on to win the race.[20] |
Ferrari was absolute e when he moved there. Funny how all the Schumi haterz fail to remember that. One of MS' many abilities was to communicate to the engineers what the car needed to do in order to be competitive.
| quote: | | Source = Wikipedia In 1996, Schumacher signed with Ferrari, at the time considered technologically and organisationally inferior to the front running teams. Ferrari had not won the drivers championship since 1979. Various Ferraris of the early 1990s had been labelled "a truck", "a pig", and "an accident waiting to happen" by their drivers. Even the poor performance of the Ferrari pit crews was considered a running joke. [8] Schumacher is often credited along with Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt with turning this once struggling team into the most successful team in Formula One history.[21] |
Shame on Ferrari for finding the people and being able to spend the money to make this happen!!! What an absolutely disgraceful thing to do. Who enters a contest with the ulitimate goal of actually winning it? CRAZY TALK!!!! |
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| pmoisse |
I agree with what Klago said, but I also agree with Paulinho that F1 does need more overtaking.
MotoGp is awesome for it's aggressive overtaking, but the inherent physics of bikes allows for this kind of racing. Cars are too easily upset aerodynamically and thus have reduced overtaking possibilities. this really only applies to F1 style cars. DTM and LeMans style cars that have more open Aero rules don't have the same issues. If F1 were to allow flat & shaped bottom cars like back in the late 70's and early 80's, they wouldn't be as reliant on downforce generated by wing elements which lose effectiveness when they are placed in the dirty air behind another car.
Both racing series are very exciting to watch, depending on your reasons for watching each of them. Hell, even watching shifter-karts is exciting though it's nowhere near the top of the motorsport food chain.
I enjoy F1 for the technology and the racing, though often I find races boring. yet I still watch each one. I would watch more MotoGP if I subscribed to SpeedChannel because it's amazing and daring racing. The technology of the bikes is also making huge advancements.
I love watching rallying too and there you're only watching one car at a time. Hell, I was at LeMans in 2001 and watched from 4pm until noon the following day, no sleep, watched the whole time. A lot of people would call it boring as hell, but I found it fascinating.
To each their own.
Arguing over racing is like arguing over which is better: Trance or Techno.
We all know it's a useless argument, since Techno is obviously the superior genre ;)
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulinho
Rossi broke into the premier class of motorcycle racing in 2000 on a Honda NSR500 at the tender age of 20. |
Schumacher broke into F1 at the age of 24, and after only one brief test session is a mid-pack Jordan, he qualified 7th at Spa when he had only been around the track on a bicycle before that. Also, he was one of only a select few drivers who took the Eau Rouge corner flat-out. Senna, Prost and Mansell were the others.
The same logic applies. Both drivers are equally gifted in their own disciplines. What Rossi did for the Yamaha team recently is akin to what Schu did for Ferrari from when he arrived there until 2000 when they first won the championship.
Just don't let Rossi drive a rallycar, he falls off the road each time ;) |
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| Omega_M |
Records Schumi holds...
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* Most championship titles: 7
* Most consecutive championship titles: 5
* Most race wins: 91
* Most consecutive race wins: 7 (in 2004 - European GP, Canadian GP, United States GP, French GP, British GP, German GP, Hungarian GP; record shared with Alberto Ascari)
* Most race wins with one team: 72 with Ferrari
* Most race wins at the same GP: 8 at the French Grand Prix (Magny-Cours)
* Most different GPs (by country) won: 20
* Most time between first and last race wins: 14 years, 1 month and 2 days
* Most second place finishes: 43
* Most podium finishes: 154
* Most consecutive podium finishes: 19 (from the 2001 United States Grand Prix, until the 2002 Japanese Grand Prix)
* Most points finishes: 190
* Most laps leading: 4741 (with a total of 22,155 kilometers (13,758 miles) in 131 Grands Prix)[50]
* Most pole positions: 68
* Most starts from first row: 108
* Most fastest laps: 76
* Most doubles (pole position and race win): 40
* Most hat-trick (pole position, race win and fastest lap): 22
* Most championship points: 1,369
* Most consecutive race finished without retirement: 24 (from the 2001 Hungarian Grand Prix, until the 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix)
* Most championship points in a season for a vice-world champion: 121 (out of a maximum of 180)
* Most Wins in a season for a vice-world champion: 7 (ties Alain Prost and Kimi Räikkönen)
* Only racing driver ever, in any racing class, to win 5 times at Indianapolis Motor Speedway
* Only racing driver ever, in any racing class, to win 5 times at Autodromo Nazionale Monza
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enuf said.
I am still undecided whom to support from now on, considering that I've been Schumacher's fan pretty much since I started watching F1 in 1994. :( |
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