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South Korea has succefully tested a ballistic missile
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| star-traveller |
I just found this news on the Russian website.
http://www.kommersant.ru/index-news...rubric=0&page=1
This missile can fly up to 1000km, thus it's able to hit any targed within the NK, or reach Tokio, and Bejing.
The deviation from a prospective target is less than 5m. Currently it's the longest range missile available for South Korean army.
Why these guys are not restricted to develop missiles, but those guys who are on the North, forbidden even to take a glimpse look towards the West ? |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
Why these guys are not restricted to develop missiles, but those guys who are on the North, forbidden even to take a glimpse look towards the West ? |
Have you been watching the news?
1) North invaded them.
2) North has nuclear weapons.
3) North is trying to extend their missile range.
4) According to Western estimates, North Korea has the fifth-largest military in the world, with the largest percentage of citizens enlisted (49.03 active troops per thousand citizens). The North has an estimated 1.08 million armed personnel, compared with about 686,000 South Korean troops (and 3.5 million paramilitary forces) plus 29,000 US troops in South Korea. Annual military spending is about $5 billion USD. There is a fairly efficient, albeit technologically obsolete, weapons and munitions industry[citation needed]. The North has perhaps the world's second-largest special operations force (roughly 110,000), designed for insertion and sabotage behind enemy lines in wartime. While the North has an adequate fleet of submarines and small vessels, its main surface fleet has a very limited capability. |
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| star-traveller |
I can project all the options you've just mentioned on the US. Does that mean that we should restrict the US to develop its nuclear/missile arsenal ?
Though, I can see your upcoming response about the democracy and stuff like that. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
I can project all the options you've just mentioned on the US. Does that mean that we should restrict the US to develop its nuclear/missile arsenal ?
Though, I can see your upcoming response about the democracy and stuff like that. |
Heh, i find this one funny...
I thought we were talking about SOuth Korea and North Korea, and a few other asian countries you mentioned. No mention of the USA. But if you want to deviate from the subject, I can't argue against that.
But I just cant reSIST!!!
Back to the subject.
You explain to me why SOuth Korea shouldn't try to develop its own weapons capabilities; with such a volatile neighbor right next door; who claims autonomy over their land? If your neighbor has invaded your territory, claims your land as his own, and spends more of their GDP per person on their military, than anyone else in the world, then I think I'de build myself up too. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
Heh, i find this one funny...
I thought we were talking about SOuth Korea and North Korea, and a few other asian countries you mentioned. No mention of the USA. But if you want to deviate from the subject, I can't argue against that.
But I just cant reSIST!!!
Back to the subject.
You explain to me why SOuth Korea shouldn't try to develop its own weapons capabilities; with such a volatile neighbor right next door; who claims autonomy over their land? If your neighbor has invaded your territory, claims your land as his own, and spends more of their GDP per person on their military, than anyone else in the world, then I think I'de build myself up too. |
NK isnt claiming the entire peninsula for itself. They are developing weapons to protect themselves. While NK was severely criticised earlier for testing its missiles, seems like SK is quite OK. So you cant just go on anymore and criticize the NK's missile development, because SK got their own system too. They have every right to develop the same weapons that are pointed against it. Since other countries are allowed to own and test missiles, NK is rightfully such as well. I dont have exactly the same stance on nukes, I am actually for completely eradicating all nuclear weapons, disbanding them in the name of humanity's peace, security and prosperity. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
yeah, NK should have every damned right to starve their citizens so they can afford ICBMs and nuclear devices :rolleyes:
you dont understand the difference between NK and other nations in the world star-traveller?
what you seem to imply is that any geographical location that has organised as a nation & government should therefore have the right to develop any weapon of their choosing?
the south can develop these weapons because theyre not a dictatorial, brutal regime under the control of 1 man who has nuclear saber-rattling as a favourite past time. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
NK isnt claiming the entire peninsula for itself. They are developing weapons to protect themselves. While NK was severely criticised earlier for testing its missiles, seems like SK is quite OK. So you cant just go on anymore and criticize the NK's missile development, because SK got their own system too. They have every right to develop the same weapons that are pointed against it. Since other countries are allowed to own and test missiles, NK is rightfully such as well. I dont have exactly the same stance on nukes, I am actually for completely eradicating all nuclear weapons, disbanding them in the name of humanity's peace, security and prosperity. |
"North and South Korea continue to officially claim sovereignty over the entire peninsula." (Foreign relations and Military: third paragraph, first sentence)
You have no idea what you're talking about..
Know the facts before you say something.. |
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| homerj14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
I just found this news on the Russian website.
http://www.kommersant.ru/index-news...rubric=0&page=1
This missile can fly up to 1000km, thus it's able to hit any targed within the NK, or reach Tokio, and Bejing.
The deviation from a prospective target is less than 5m. Currently it's the longest range missile available for South Korean army.
Why these guys are not restricted to develop missiles, but those guys who are on the North, forbidden even to take a glimpse look towards the West ? |
In my opinion.. the world knows that south Korea are not a bunch of crazy communists who hate everybody but themselves? |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by homerj14
In my opinion.. the world knows that south Korea are not a bunch of crazy communists who hate everybody but themselves? |
That and theyre not launching missiles over people's countries and territorial waters without any warning and letting off nukes in their backyard probably helps too endear them slightly more too their neighbours. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
NK isnt claiming the entire peninsula for itself. They are developing weapons to protect themselves. While NK was severely criticised earlier for testing its missiles, seems like SK is quite OK. So you cant just go on anymore and criticize the NK's missile development, because SK got their own system too. They have every right to develop the same weapons that are pointed against it. Since other countries are allowed to own and test missiles, NK is rightfully such as well. I dont have exactly the same stance on nukes, I am actually for completely eradicating all nuclear weapons, disbanding them in the name of humanity's peace, security and prosperity. |
Your argument fails if you cannot argue for one of the major precepts of MAD ... perfect rationality:
Perfect rationality
* No rogue states will develop nuclear weapons (or, if they do, they will stop behaving as rogue states and start to subject themselves to the logic of MAD)
* No rogue commanders will have the ability to corrupt the launch decision process
* All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects.
* No leader with launch capability would strike first and gamble that the opponent's response system would fail
On almost every note I can see where the North Korean regime would fail considerably. Can you argue against this? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Your argument fails if you cannot argue for one of the major precepts of MAD ... perfect rationality:
Perfect rationality
* No rogue states will develop nuclear weapons (or, if they do, they will stop behaving as rogue states and start to subject themselves to the logic of MAD)
* No rogue commanders will have the ability to corrupt the launch decision process
* All leaders with launch capability care about the survival of their subjects.
* No leader with launch capability would strike first and gamble that the opponent's response system would fail
On almost every note I can see where the North Korean regime would fail considerably. Can you argue against this? |
Haha, and you've been in Kim brain? How do you know he will do that.
So what, BOTH countries can CLAIM the peninsula for themselves, its always good politican support amongst the people. I stand corrected on this one ;-)
How do you know SK will not act like NK would? Last time I checked, SK is not so democratic as some people claim it to be - it wasn't that long ago when their communist-era dictator stepped down, and I havent followed their recent politics, but I doubt its democratic like in the West.
Anyhow, my point is tha NK is developing weapons to protect itself, not to start a war for its own demise. I cant guarantee that they won't attack first though, I am not a specialist in Korean issues ;-) |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Haha, and you've been in Kim brain? How do you know he will do that.
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no dude. these are the basic principles of conduct when a nuclear armed country faces the inevitable concept of MAD.
he doesn't have to know what in his brain if he believes or assumes first that self preservation is in Kim's interests. |
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