Originally posted by Jayx1
i say legalize and regulate everything. Half the dangers of illegal drugs are not knowing whats in it or how strong it is. Regulate, tax and legalize. Im not a user of illegal drugs but i dont think they should be illegal either.
Same thing with prostitution. Its going to happen whether we like it or not so why not make it safer and tax it?
Some kinda solution like that I think would be good, I think... hard to say, I obviously havent thought of all the complication and gray areas that will arise and need to be contended w/ and accounted for.
Skipper
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Originally posted by oldschool420
It may not be as addictive but it is just as if not WAY more destructive than other illegal drugs. How many people die each year from drinking and driving? All the fights and vadalizing.. that's mostly drunks, with the exception of the cokehead+drunks.. that's just a bad combo.
IMO alcohol is far more addictive than illicit/recreational drugs.
Jem_hadar
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
on the contrast Jem, I find it hard not to be "somewhat" ed up when I go out. It sounds shallow, but it's kinda boring to be a bar or club and completely sober. Or maybe my life is boring.:p
Bar, YES, unless really just having a ball socializing with all my close friends and having a hoot bc of that.
At a club, the music keeps me going.
But more and more you wont see me sober at trance events (unless its tech trance) bc the music isnt doing it for me in a dancing sense anymore at the clubs (only when listening to it at home or in the car, or at like house parties)
At techno parties, DRUNK, I get so high on my own energy I feel like im high as a kite!
I still really wanna experience a techno party just sloshed, but I have a feeling i wont like it as much... something about techno... i just love to analyse the track as its dropping... and just i dunno, get lost in it... which is harder when im hammered outta my tree.
alefort
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Originally posted by Jem_hadar
:D
LOL, what about for those ppl that never through up or get hangovers? :D
If I drink white wine or beer, I'm one of those individuals. I simply have no negative side effects that would deter me from wanting to drink all the time. No negative connotations to over-drinking...
even when that's like 5-6 beers at a buddy house before the pub, and then 4 pitchers at the pub itself... LOL London Pub was a gloriously drunk night for me... and sadly, not even at the top of my list.
Just to re-iterate and expand on what you said Jem...
MDMA is psychologically addictive, but not physiologically addictive. For a substance to be truly addictive, it needs to be physiologically addictive. In other words, your body needs it, and you cannot control it.
edit: Looks like I quoted the wrong reply, I meant to quote the reply prior to this one, lol...
Jem_hadar
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Originally posted by alefort
Just to re-iterate and expand on what you said Jem...
MDMA is psychologically addictive, but not physiologically addictive. For a substance to be truly addictive, it needs to be physiologically addictive. In other words, your body needs it, and you cannot control it.
edit: Looks like I quoted the wrong reply, I meant to quote the reply prior to this one, lol...
Interesting. Thx for the reply.
Jayx1
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
think about all the problems that would create though. We already have enough drunk drivers out there...we don't need who knows how many more ed up on harder drugs driving and killing other people and themselves.
I'm all for decriminilisation for possession. If people want to get drugs they can, but they shouldn't be treated in the same vein as assaulters, bank robbers, etc. I have to admit I would feel better taking a E if it had been manufactured by a drug company and sold in an LCBO, for example, but that's just not a reality in the near future.
But it happens already. How many people out there get high and drive? Legal or illegal wont change that.
EvilTree
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
think about all the problems that would create though. We already have enough drunk drivers out there...we don't need who knows how many more ed up on harder drugs driving and killing other people and themselves.
Make it like owning a gun.
You can own a gun, but if you use it to murder someone (not in self defence), you go to a jail for a looooong time.
You choose the action, you have chosen the consequences
lexxwolfen
Yes, alcohol is a drug. Any substance that alters the way the body functions, whether it be mental or physical, is a drug.
Being drunk sucks tho, I'd take being high over being drunk anyday.
Jayx1
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Originally posted by EvilTree
Make it like owning a gun.
You can own a gun, but if you use it to murder someone (not in self defence), you go to a jail for a looooong time.
You choose the action, you have chosen the consequences
that should be how it is in most cases. Im sick of the government treating everyone like a child presuming they are guilty before they even have the chance to prove otherwise.
Increase enforcement and let people live their lives.
Spin Laden
this stupid website's a drug. ;)
cenik
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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Of course it's a drug. It alters your mental and physical state in the same way that other illegal drugs do, although the effects are different. Alcohol is a depressant and the only reason that it's legal is that it's been around for centuries. Look what happened when they tried to ban it in North America in the 1920s (Canada too).
I think people who drink booze but look down on other drugs based on that fact that one is legal and others are not are a bit hypocritical. Perhaps alcohol is safer to some degree but people overdose on booze all the time; we just don't hear about it as often as you would when somebody OD"s on E, coke, heroin, etc.
+1
A lot of people wrongly assume that there must be scentifically-based reasons for the distinction between licit and illicit drugs as a criminology student I can say that this belief is completely unfounded and the proposition it expresses is wholly false.
Opium, for instance, was criminalized in the beginning of the 20th century in an attempt by the Canadian government to discourage Asian immigration into the country. Cannabis, as another example, was criminalzed without much reason: in fact, in the 1930s when the issue of marijuana became more hotly debated, a significant amount of politicians did not even realize that the drug was illegal. Ecstasy, yet another example, was criminalized in the states a few decades ago not after clinical research had demonstrated its potential harms, but after the drug had spread to mainstream culture and was being used recreationally in night clubs.
Everybody knows the statistics concerning the amount of deaths that alcohol causes each year versus other drugs.
Furthermore, prescription medication can be extremely dangerous: research on drugs like Paxil will demonstrate this point.
Keep in mind, it is not a coincident that Big Pharma has been unable to patent a (real) cannabis drug: THC is from a plant and organic things cannot be patented--otherwise, cannabis would definitely have been the product of Pharma by now.
The world we live in eh?!
oldschool420
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Originally posted by Jayx1
that should be how it is in most cases. Im sick of the government treating everyone like a child presuming they are guilty before they even have the chance to prove otherwise.
Increase enforcement and let people live their lives.
That makes too much sence, but it won't happen in the near future. I think it would make everything much safer, because you would know exactly what you are getting everytime.
