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Is alcohol a drug? (pg. 4)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But it happens already. How many people out there get high and drive? Legal or illegal wont change that. |
that's but one example. Think off all the addiction and substance abuse problems our society would have if cocaine and E were fully legal. If they were legal, the price would probably drop. I can't think of how many I know (maybe myself) who would be in trouble if a gram of clean cocaine was only 30 bucks. Of course, if the government was running it, they'd tax the crap out of it and perhaps be able to afford all the rehab programs.
But I really don't think our society is ready to allow the full legalisation of another ten or so addictive substances on the market. I'm all for decriminilisation as I said but legalistion needs to be approached slowly and very carefully. |
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| Skipper |
North America can't even allow itself to serve booze during certain hours of the day.
That needs to change before any other substances become legal. Our liquor laws are so antiquated. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by oldschool420
That makes too much sence, but it won't happen in the near future. I think it would make everything much safer, because you would know exactly what you are getting everytime. |
definitely! It would be true MDMA which, let's all be honest, is getting harder to come by these days. I trust my people but still, my own doctor said lately that meth is working its way into street E at alarming levels. I'd like to get one of those testing kits because when I buy E, I don't want to be high for 12 hours and I don't want to be paralysed, which has happened and really pisses me off. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
that's but one example. Think off all the addiction and substance abuse problems our society would have if cocaine and E were fully legal. If they were legal, the price would probably drop. I can't think of how many I know (maybe myself) who would be in trouble if a gram of clean cocaine was only 30 bucks. Of course, if the government was running it, they'd tax the crap out of it and perhaps be able to afford all the rehab programs. |
If you got addiction problems, don't come running to govt to fix you up because you made poor decisions.
Private rehab programs if you need one.
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But I really don't think our society is ready to allow the full legalisation of another ten or so addictive substances on the market. I'm all for decriminilisation as I said but legalistion needs to be approached slowly and very carefully. |
+1
You need very carefully thought out and properly spread education programs to get ppl to be aware about dangers of using drugs. (kinda like getting a gun license)
Another possibility. What about licensing drugs? Like get a permit to do drugs 'legally' and in order to get a permit, you have to attend classes to be fully aware of what you're getting into.
Just a thought throwing out there :) |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
If you got addiction problems, don't come running to govt to fix you up because you made poor decisions.
Private rehab programs if you need one.
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but in our case, the government controls alcohol and would presumably control other recreational substances. So they're making money out of potentially harmful and addictive substances. But then to say "well it's your fault for buying it" doesn't quite work in my books. That sounds really NDPish but yeah... |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
but in our case, the government controls alcohol and would presumably control other recreational substances. So they're making money out of potentially harmful and addictive substances. But then to say "well it's your fault for buying it" doesn't quite work in my books. That sounds really NDPish but yeah... |
It's like signing any contracts with potential harmful clause. Like bungey jumping you sign a waiver saying if the rope s up and you fall, you don't get sued. (ok. poor example perhaps but you get the idea) |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
It's like signing any contracts with potential harmful clause. Like bungey jumping you sign a waiver saying if the rope s up and you fall, you don't get sued. (ok. poor example perhaps but you get the idea) |
I see what you're saying and I agree somewhat. It's like all the casinos popping up and the concern over gambling addiction. It irritates me when people blame everything on the government or corporation that allows them to purchase potentially harmful products.
But if you put a substance like cocaine in the hands of a young person and have it available and affordable...I can just see some of the immediate problems it would cause. Think of all the people who would try the currently illegal drugs who do not do them now for reasons of illegality, inability to attain, etc. That's why I think we should take a great, great grandfather approach and do it slowly. Weed should of course, be fully legal, as should prostitution.
But I don't think these things will move significantly forward until our generation takes power and even then, we might not see it through. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I see what you're saying and I agree somewhat. It's like all the casinos popping up and the concern over gambling addiction. It irritates me when people blame everything on the government or corporation that allows them to purchase potentially harmful products.
But if you put a substance like cocaine in the hands of a young person and have it available and affordable...I can just see some of the immediate problems it would cause. Think of all the people who would try the currently illegal drugs who do not do them now for reasons of illegality, inability to attain, etc. That's why I think we should take a great, great grandfather approach and do it slowly. Weed should of course, be fully legal, as should prostitution.
But I don't think these things will move significantly forward until our generation takes power and even then, we might not see it through. |
Parenting. It all starts at family level.
If parents do their job properly, govt need not have to keep passing on messages like 'smoking is harmful'. |
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| Jungle Fever |
| Alcohol is a legalized drug. |
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| _EuG_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
IMO alcohol is far more addictive than illicit/recreational drugs. |
i totaly agree.
u dont see people having problems with doing mdma on a daily basis, im sure it happens but the chances are extremely low.
on the other hand drinking and alcoholism occurs all the time, and its not realy looked down upon in our society.
Personaly i would rather go to a club totaly sober (well maybe a redbull or 2) then go to a club drunk. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by _EuG_
i totaly agree.
u dont see people having problems with doing mdma on a daily basis, im sure it happens but the chances are extremely low.
on the other hand drinking and alcoholism occurs all the time, and its not realy looked down upon in our society.
Personaly i would rather go to a club totaly sober (well maybe a redbull or 2) then go to a club drunk. |
not so much E though. But I can totally see how it's easy to do it weekly (I know many people who've done that for years). I think the case for E being legalised is quite strong but I wouldn't count on it for at least 10-20 years. But you think alcohol is more addictive than cocaine, heroin, speed, crack, crystal meth, etc? I can't see those substances ever being legalised. The abuse factor there is much higher than alcohol and if it were readily available, we'd have some problems. |
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| _EuG_ |
i cant make the judgment because i have never done any of them.
and when i say E i mean MDMA (molly) and not Methstacy, which is the majority of that is goin around. |
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