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| asfdz |
:wtf:
I can not stand how certain holidays are not allowed in schools to be celebrated. I understand the differences between religions, but is it really necessary to change traditions of celebrating these holidays in the school after doing it for so many years?
What is the big deal now?
This poem is kind of gey, but makes good points on this topic:
How the "Left" Stole Christmas
> > Twas the month before Christmas, when all through our land,
> > Not a Christian was praying, nor taking a stand.
> > See the PC Police had taken away,
> > The reason for Christmas - no one could say.
> > The children were told by their schools not to sing,
> > About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
> > It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say
> > December 25th is just a "Holiday".
> > Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit
> > Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!
> > CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
> > Something was changing, something quite odd!
> > Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa
> > In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.
> > As Targets were hanging their trees upside down
> > At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.
> > At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears
> > You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.
> > Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
> > Are words that were used to intimidate me.
> > Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
> > On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!
> > At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter
> > To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
> > And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith
> > Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace.
> > The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
> > The reason for the season, stopped before it started.
> > So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your "Dream Tree"
> > Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
> > Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
> > Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!
I honestly find this to be ridiculous. If you don't want your children to be exposed to a Christmas party at school this year, have them stay home. Bobby, DON'T YOU DARE MAKE THAT CHRISTMAS TREE OUT OF PAPER.
Before you know it, kids won't be able to make a damn turkey cut out, because it may remind the indians in the class about getting there heads scalped.
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| dj_bas |
It just has more to do with "pushing" ones religion on another. Speaking from personal experience, the only time I ever had issues with a school during Christmas was when they wanted my brother to sing Hava Nagila or something. We're not Jewish and the school was going to make him sing it ALONE. I think I was more offended than my parents lol. Anyway, the poem is blown way out of proportion, it's better for the schools to be safe and just not include any religion rather than including all religion. What happens if they include them all save for one, wouldn't the one left out have problems? Better to be safe than sorry, imo.
edit // With that said, I dont think schools are completly stopping Christmas parties at school are they? Just trying to make it less about religion and more celebratory...right? |
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| Moral Hazard |
My $0.02.......
In as much as the United States (this also applies for Canada as we have the same issue here) professes to believe in the seperation of church and state I believe there should be no reflection of any religion expressed in public schools. The public school system is an institution of the state thus it should not have any religious flavour, teachings, exercises, or holidays. If you want your child to have a christian education complete with celebration of religious holidays then send them to a private christian school.... same be said for any religion.
Note; I am a practicing Roman Catholic, observant of all sacraments and holy days. I understand that should I wish my children to have a religious education it is my responsibility (with the support of my church) and not the responsibility of the state. |
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| UWM |
| I will make a Christmas tree out of paper if I see fit, thank you very much. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
edit // With that said, I dont think schools are completly stopping Christmas parties at school are they? Just trying to make it less about religion and more celebratory...right? |
"Merry Non-Denominational Winter Solstice Celebratory Season and a Happy Start to the Official National, Gregorian Calander, Year" |
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| Marc Summers |
Well, "Under god" is in the pledge of allegiance which they recite every morning. But "Merry Christmas" is replaced with "Happy holidays" because is more PC.
I see hypocrisy! |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Well, "Under god" is in the pledge of allegiance which they recite every morning. But "Merry Christmas" is replaced with "Happy holidays" because is more PC.
I see hypocrisy! |
The "under god" recognizes the supremecy of the divine. While it may be implied that those who wrote the pledge of allegiance were refering to Yaweh they do not specify any one god. The celebration of christmas is specifically the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Celebrating a divine figure in one specific faith within a state institution to the exclusion of others is, in effect, that state expressing favour to that one religion. An expression of favour or sponsoring of any one faith is in stark oposition to the seperation of church and state, the recognition of the divine as superior to the secular is not. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The "under god" recognizes the supremecy of the divine. While it may be implied that those who wrote the pledge of allegiance were refering to Yaweh they do not specify any one god. The celebration of christmas is specifically the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Celebrating a divine figure in one specific faith within a state institution to the exclusion of others is, in effect, that state expressing favour to that one religion. An expression of favour or sponsoring of any one faith is in stark oposition to the seperation of church and state, the recognition of the divine as superior to the secular is not. |
It should be God(s), then.
God is too specific.
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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In the official version, God is capitalized, making it a proper noun, stating that it's the name. "God" is referring to the Christian god, simply because it's capitalized.
If it was for the Muslims, it would be Allah. And jews spell God, "G-D". |
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| tubularbills |
this has been happening more and more as the years progress.
everything is now holidays, not Christmas , Hanakah [sp?], or even saying Kwanza celebration is apparently a no-no.
kinda sad.
regardless, i am going to put up a CHRISTMAS tree....not a holiday tree...and i'm gonna put thousands of CHRISTMAS lights....not holiday lights....all over my house.
you remember national lampoon's christmas vacation? the house w/ like lights all over it? yeah, that's gonna be my house.
and anyone who says they don't like it can kiss my ass. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
It should be God(s), then.
God is too specific.
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
^^^^
In the official version, God is capitalized, making it a proper noun, stating that it's the name. "God" is referring to the Christian god, simply because it's capitalized.
If it was for the Muslims, it would be Allah. And jews spell God, "G-D". |
Jews, Muslims and Christians have the same god - Yaweh.
While I agree the intent was likely that god = Yaweh the term god (even if capitalized) is sufficiently non-descript as it can refer to any divine being. Regardless, the pledge is outdated in it's own right and has little bearing on a discussion regarding the seperation of church and state. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Jews, Muslims and Christians have the same god - Yaweh.
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Yes, I know.
I honestly see it as a disrespect to other religions, federal judicial district 9 thinks so as well. |
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| weymouth |
| Last year was really the death of Christmas. You would think the ACLU would have more things to do like stopping social injustice, help poverish communities, and stop racism but for some reason they have their crosshairs on Mary and Joseph. I'm personally tired of the secular progressives trying to change the culture of the United States by spreading propaganda that all people with a belief structure are "close-minded" and "unintelligent". You can definately tell that they are making a lot of ground just by reading this website and the ignorant responses that people make about religion. |
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