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the war on the hijab shows the hypocrisy of the western world (pg. 2)
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I just can't wait till they ban biker helmets with visors.....
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(they actually do in banks) |
Leave biker bikes, its not allowed to wear caps in banks. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
But if they chose to wear it they should accept that it comes with its share of problems. As i said i don't trust a person with a covered face and as such, as an employer i would newer hire such a person and as a customer i would never accept to be serviced by such a person. I don't really care if a person choses to wear one or not but if one does that person does not get to yell discrimination because it is by their own choice that they are discriminated against. Wear one and feel sorry for yourself because people don't trust or respect you or don't wear one, still keep your faith but watch the attitude suddenly change. |
i think it depends on how it is worn.
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| Fir3start3r |
I really don't see the need to cover one's face in a world that doesn't require it.
I would have to say, if you want to sure go ahead, it's your choice, but when confronted with the law or in an area (like a bank) where you're required to take it off, then obey the law of the land. |
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| Sunsnail |
| a kid at my school wears a turban... no problem there. friends with him actually |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
does it make any logical sense for the governments to suppress this practice at the same time they espouse democracy, tolerance, openness, and freedom? |
Governments say that all the time.
Otherwise there would be anarchy with people doing whatever the hell they wanted.
Western governments work on the essential principles of:
Democracy- "Vote for me"
Tolerance- "I am more popular, dont vote for anyone else"
Openess- "Sure you're free too vote for other people, but vote for me"
Freedom- "Dont vote for him!"
After all thats out of the way, they go about doing and dawdling around some often ill perceived and popular notions which will get them re-elected in 4 years time again by beating up civil rights, fearmongering too popular social ideas and making sure you dont run around doing whatever you want.
As for religious dress, I dont think it should be touched regardless of what the current culture it exists in thinks otherwise.
Though I'm all for the men being blindfolded when they leave the house just for comedy value alone :haha: |
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| Shaman_Axiom |
I think they are amplyfing sex with that, cover her up so you would start thinking about what the is under there :nervous:
:smokesnervously: its a mind i tell you religion and sex are power plays i tell you :eyespop:
the thing about freedom aren't everyone entitled to do say what they want freely, whats with the domination of forcing beliefs & behaviors. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i think it depends on how it is worn.
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A point i was going to make. There "full blown" burqa, with the full body and faced covered is excessive and reminiscent of the oppression it was developed in. If you look at "fairly", and I'll use that word with caution, progressive Muslim countries such as Iran (specifically in Tehran) they wear the burqa in various colors and styles. In that instance i don't see any reason to ban it because it is functioning as a element of "style" for lack of a better word. But in the "full blown" version used in more "traditional" areas the burqa as a whole other meaning an connotations that are not accepted in the Holland. Hence i agree with the banning of the more traditional version as means to shun the values that underlay it. |
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| Dervish |
End of the day, banning it is too far (dressing up as a ghost going to be illegal too?) but you can choose to dislike it.
What it'll lead to is two cultures within one nation (incompatible ones...) now obviously that happens now to an extent but following the current trend down the line and you really will have imence division imence hate and in the end violence.
Multiculturism can only work so far. I've not problems with people wearing it. But the majority of the people in the UK do. Now if the big club that makes up a nation desides in a democratic manner it shoudl be banned. Then it will be. That is going to lead to problems, lots of problems.
I can see "national" parties getting voted in left and right soon. OR more likely the main parties becoming more like "national" parties. By national parties I mean basicly rasist ones. |
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| shaolin_Z |
Wow, I'm surprised by the conformist attitude displayed here. First of all, a hijab is not a burqa. Secondly, so ing what if it's a statement saying "I'm different"!!! Does law require us to conform to the same cultural norms too now? Yeah, you guys are very tolerant. :rolleyes:
+ 1 SpaceyOrange for pointing out this hypocrisy. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
A point i was going to make. There "full blown" burqa, with the full body and faced covered is excessive and reminiscent of the oppression it was developed in. If you look at "fairly", and I'll use that word with caution, progressive Muslim countries such as Iran (specifically in Tehran) they wear the burqa in various colors and styles. In that instance i don't see any reason to ban it because it is functioning as a element of "style" for lack of a better word. But in the "full blown" version used in more "traditional" areas the burqa as a whole other meaning an connotations that are not accepted in the Holland. Hence i agree with the banning of the more traditional version as means to shun the values that underlay it. |
well, i disagree. i think anyone should be able to wear anything they choose on their own time. if they are representing the government or a business not owned by them, then thats where i draw the line. its not different to employees having certain dress codes. but to ban the hijab et al's wear completely is unacceptable. |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
End of the day, banning it is too far (dressing up as a ghost going to be illegal too?) but you can choose to dislike it.
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But 364 days out of the year dressing us as the ghost will get you at least weird looks from the crowd and get your ass fired if you come dressed like that to work. Especially if you work with customers. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well, i disagree. i think anyone should be able to wear anything they choose on their own time. if they are representing the government or a business not owned by them, then thats where i draw the line. its not different to employees having certain dress codes. but to ban the hijab et al's wear completely is unacceptable. |
So if that's the case you would agree that walking around naked is also acceptable? After all, people should be able to wear or not wear whatever they like on their own time no? But you probably aren't OK with nudity in public. Why? Because of what it represents. Nudity itself is not inherently wrong, as is wearing a hijab, but what being nude represents is deem to be wrong in a public setting. Why can't it be the same with an article of clothing that represents something undesirable? |
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